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I was asked on SKY News if the Labor Government's concession to exclude agriculture was a good move.

As I explained, the ETS was a ridiculous massive tax that was never going to change the temperature of the globe and is still a ridiculous new tax that will not change the temperature. Agriculture was not included from the start anyway but farmers will still have costs added to their inputs - everything from electricity to fence posts, fertiliser, transport and the cost of processing meat and dairy products. What they said they were going to consider (in 2013), they have now considered and ruled out.

Australians will gain nothing from the imposition of this massive new tax except higher prices on everything. It is a gesture to suggest this tax must be agreed to before the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference next month. It is Mr Rudd's gesture to add to his standing on the world stage.

I am not going to be voting for a massive new tax that goes on every part of your life. Remember, if agriculture is out, someone somewhere else has to pay.

Please add your name to the almost 10,000 others on the petition to stop the ETS.

 

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# John Rodgers
Sunday, November 15, 2009 4:47 PM
Hi
I have just seen a news item, Rudd has just offered to remove Agriculture from his ETS permantly and will allow farmers to make money from trading carbon credits.
What happens when farmers take the easy option and put prime agricultural land under forest plantations & stop producing food to trade carbon credits for easy money.
Please Barnaby stand firm and dont let the government get their way on this, they are Complicit in this scam to ruin all soveriegn nations.
Regards John Rodgers
# John Rodgers
Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:52 PM
Hi
Go to the following link http://2gb.com.au/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=4998
and hear an interview by Alan Jones and the true agenda of the Global Warming SCAM will be revieled to you. 31748 scientest 9029 with Phd's in America have signed a petition asking thier government to REJECT the Global Warming Agreement.
The agreement to be signed in Copenhagen should be made available for all Australians to read before the meeting, so I call on you Barnaby to have this made available if possible
Regards John rodgers
# Lorikeet
Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:04 PM
I think people need to come to terms with the fact that the Green Movement is a dangerous doomsday cult, trading off fear and guilt.

They're preying on mostly younger people's fear of dying from an increase in natural disasters, and food and water shortages. They're trying to make us all feel guilty for using too much power, water and fuel.

Behind this colossal farce are the huge corporations which want to communise the world and redistribute wealth via the Copenhagen Treaty.
It is they who will leave us jobless, homeless and without food and water, as they rob our country of resources and pocket most of the CarbonTax, Water Tax, Utility Tax etc for themselves.
# danny donaldson
Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:27 PM
Too true lorrikeet, that is exactly what this con job is about. I wrote a long winded paper of mans ways of controlling 51% of the population (women) with fear.

Remember the old fashioned snake oil salesmen.
danny
# shannon
Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:45 PM
Please "up the anti" Barnaby and Co this week, regarding the "total scam of the century".
God help Australia if this gets across the line in parliament.
Rudd is really pushing this to the extreme,twofold ..hes made such an "Ass" of himself with the refugee, stuff up...they must be celebrating in Indonesia !! Aust has "gold borders" now ...come on over ..C/link has its doors wide open!!
Monday is the beginning of the end for the Libs if they are stupid enough to agree with the ETS bill....c'mon Mal show your talent like you did years ago in your private career!
Farmers will still be forced off the land either way...my heart goes out to the people in the country areas...they cop it from the climate good or bad,on a daily basis...now they are endangered from their own kind.!!
Stay strong.

Barnaby thank you for all your effort and support,we are with you all the way.

Kind Regards


# Ken Hardie
Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:42 PM
The ets is a bizarre way to solve a perceived problem, if carbon dioxide is the problem it is perceived to be it would be much more productive to simply promote nuclear power generation , electric motor vehicles, things that are actual solutions, to introduce a regressive scheme like the ets has many more complicating and destructive outcomes, why?
# Geoff
Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:22 PM
Climate change is a complex area and there is differing scientific opinion on what impact man made activities have. So why is generally reported in the media and by the Government as a fact. Anyone who has a differing opinion is vilified by the elite minority and the mainstream media.

It would be interesting to see the Government explain how the introduction of a new tax would stop climate change using facts rather than spin and scare mongering.

Geoff
# Simon Larrescy
Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:36 PM
a Ethanol Trading Scheme would be a foot forward! Ethanol trading would give new life. Value adding on products helps the economy. Creating wealth for the economy instead of taxing it? Labor's EmissionTrading Scam is suspect.
# Brian Fowler
Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:07 PM
Any carbon trading scheme is doomed to fail all the people of the planet.

It simply says "I am polluting the atmosphere and to enable me to continue to do so you must pay me so that I can pay someone who is not polluting the planet and make you all feel warm and fuzzy that the alleged global warming is being reduced".

In the old days we would say 'poppycock'.

All polluting industries should now immediately use the obscenely high profits they gain from mankind to reduce their toll on the world's atmosphere - they have caused the problem and they should fix it starting NOW!

Nothing will happen of course as all governments in the world are merely the puppets of big polluting industries and they will do as their masters tell them. Voting for the pathetic pretend to be tree-hugging politicians that offer themselves up for election every few years is a waste of time.

Not one politician State or Federal gives a tinkers' cuss about the future of the planet - their only interest is re-election until they retire with all the benefits they vote for themselves.

The petition is a waste of time as you know, However I will sign it even though it wastes time and energy and raises my carbon footprint. Someone must do something, hopefully it is you Barnaby get in there, give 'em hell, and fight for our lives - we're counting on you - our last hope.
# Murray
Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:25 PM
I have my fingers crossed that the Senate will block the ETS bill. I have three reasons why (1) Its a turkey (2) We will be left like a shag on a rock if the Copenhagen conference fails - which is most likely (3) The CO2 global warming scare is the biggest fraud ever placed on mankind.
There never has been a debate on this subject. The propaganda from the 'scientific warmers' is that there is no peer reviewed evidence to the contrary - in fact the opposite is the truth of which many in Government are aware . The Government (and the UN) is on shaky ground with this science and when push comes to shove the ground supporting the hypothesis will fall away.
Please take up the challenge, throw out this absurd bill, force a debate, make it as public as possible because I forecast that within six months the Rudd government will be seen for what it is - a sham lead by a phony devious man. Make note of this - 6 months and Rudd will be on the outer. This is where your fightback begins.
# ben smith
Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:23 PM
Tonight I googled climate change and watched a most informative doco called the "The great climate change swindle" you will find it on google video.

The ETS will pass that I would bet my life on, evil dark forces are at play here and nothing will stop them short of storming the parlamentary system
# Ian Kentish
Monday, November 16, 2009 5:40 AM
Rudd is a fabulous non achiever .

He 'can' win an election .

He 'Can' say sorry to all and sundry but he forgot our National Enblems !

He couldn't even respond decently and responsibly with a few asylem seekers .

When it comes to Hype , BS and Fear Mongering he is right up there with Hitler the ultimate Control Freek
# Aitch
Monday, November 16, 2009 5:45 AM
Great work Barnaby. Please put me down for a vote against Rudd the Grubb's tax.

Much appreciate your efforts to enlighten people and halt the little man's tax.
Don't let him sell our soveringnty.

Kind Regards
Aitch
# Carole Hawkins
Monday, November 16, 2009 5:51 AM
All I can say is poor help the world if this ETS progresses and good bye Australia for those crazy Australians who wanted a change in this country well cop it sweet now I fell sorry for you because we certainly have a change and I wont see it fixed in my life time and If I wanted to seek assylum in another country would I receive all that Mr Rudd is handing out to these boat people
# Don Henry
Monday, November 16, 2009 6:24 AM
Climate change has been going on for thousands of years long before Australia was inhabited by any humans black or white.
The only difference now is that the Rudd Government has found a way to turn it all into a new Tax system that will remain forever unless this scheem is blocked once and for all time.
Don
# Donna
Monday, November 16, 2009 6:53 AM
wonder how the industries such as "football" would react
if we calculated how much emission is created globally from this one sport
and how would it be taxed.
# Carol Payne
Monday, November 16, 2009 7:09 AM
Hi
I am just an ordinary ozzie battler's wife & I can see that this ETS is nothing but a gigantic scam. Our scaremongering, self serving encumbant government, should be charged with TREASON if they go ahead and sign this fraudulous ETS agreement! I fail to see how signing away our sovereignty is going to change our weather patterns or help countries cope with it.

Climate change is nothing new - our planet has been experiencing climate change from it's very existance. We have to find ways to adapt to our planets changing weather patterns & we Australians have been doing so for decades. Our government should be spending our hard earned taxes on infrastructure that will actually help us - ie. dams etc. Actually do something constructive instead of scamming the very people that they are there to serve!!!!

Our forefathers gave their ALL - they fought for our freedom and way of life, which we all take for granted. Well if we true Australians don't get off our backsides & do something about this dictorial, self serving, so called government then we can say goodbye to this beautiful, wonderful life that we all have in this, the best nation in the world.

I BESEACH EVERY TRUE OZZIE - STAND UP & BE COUNTED!!!!
# Vic Pfitzner
Monday, November 16, 2009 7:16 AM
I have addressed six meetings regarding A.G.W. and gained a big majority of support. Unfortunately this majority support gains no publicity.
# bARRY bLAIN
Monday, November 16, 2009 7:45 AM
Is it true that Australia will be paying at least SEVEN BILLION a year if they sign the ETS treaty agreement at Copenhagen or is this not true
Barry Blain
# GARRY BROWN
Monday, November 16, 2009 8:06 AM
Just another form of tax from a career public servant, now I no about this web site I will pass it on to my customers, who are also against the ETS so Barbaby stick to your guns.
# Rom Bondaruk
Monday, November 16, 2009 9:13 AM
The ETS is a massive fraud designed to mask an attempt at establishing a new world currency... If Kev and all his cronies were vaguely serious with this so called dilemma surely one significant way to reduce carbon would be for Kev and his megalomaniacal mates to stop hob nobbing all over the planet in gas guzzling jet planes!!!
# Enid Rowley
Monday, November 16, 2009 9:17 AM
I do not want any more tax as I am paying enough tax. Including the ambulance cover which I could do as individual which would be cheaper than through my electricity bill. I pay tax every year through my superannuation as well I will be paying tax until the day I die. So I do not want any more taxes. I want action on emission put into the atmosphere I would like to see Companies to put as much as the individual does in a household. I make a special effort to sort my rubbish to recycle and I try not to buy any more I need to live. I use grey water for my garden as well as cleaning the bin as well as other outside cleaning. I mow with a electric mower and whip-snippeter. I grow my own vegetables in the backhyard as much as my ability allow. I try to purchase locally grown produce but it is a uphill battle.

Could you please try and stop this tax on individual taxpayer as we are overloaded with taxes and our income is shrinking.
# Joan Patricia Reynolds
Monday, November 16, 2009 9:48 AM
Why is there a MEDIA BLOCKOUT on the ETS?????? Especially when you disagree with RUDD and WRONG. GOD created this Planet and RUDD is no GOD. How dare they even assume they know what Nature has planned for this Planet. How dare they threaten thoes of us who believe they are on the wong track.At the age of 70years I have witnessed many changes in the weather and it will continue to change long after I am gone.
This man Rudd is Drunk with Power. He wants a position on the UN . He is selling our Beautifull Country for" 40 pieces of silver". A Very dangerous Man.
# steve Lloyd
Monday, November 16, 2009 10:13 AM
This whole climate change beat up, as aptly outlined by Lord Monckton,.sheds light on the fact that this country faces National Suicide via the signing of a treaty that will undermine and overide our CONSTITUTION.
The front was climate change, proven unscientific,..; meanwhile they pick your pocket and destroy the country.
Member of parliament Rudd should be charged with treason as should all parliamentarians who support and even those who dont but do nothing,..as aiding and abetting.
Cheersteve
# christine McDonald
Monday, November 16, 2009 10:51 AM
NASA Scientists are concerned about the lack of Sunspot activity in 2008 and 2009 which can be responsible for global cooling and could even lead to a mini ice Age!
# D. Gazit
Monday, November 16, 2009 10:51 AM
Thank you Barnaby for standing against this tax scam, could you please ask Penny Wong this, suppose there's a climate change and some houses will be lost to a rising seas, how can she fix the problem with money? you can't fight mother nature with money. Most people can't afford the high cost of living now, let alone after this scam is introduced.
# rloader
Monday, November 16, 2009 11:26 AM
Thank God for you Barnaby. You are one of a handful of politicians we can trust to look after the interests of the Australian people. We are sick and tired of spin and deceit not only by the Prime Minister and his Ministers, but also the left wing media and ABC radio and TV we have here. How can Senator Wong possibly say that she is acting in the interests of the Australian people when she is hell bent on signing our sovereignity and finances over to the UN to manage as they see fit. Please do all you can to persuade Liberal Ministers to vote against this monstrous plan. Our soldiers, whom we have just honoured in Remembrance Day ceremonies all over Australia should not have died in vain for our FREEDOM is the Govt is planning to sign it away. All the politicians have to do is to find time to read the treaty like the Asian politicians have done and back away from it.
# Don Carr
Monday, November 16, 2009 12:25 PM
I am very disappointed at the apparent lack of attention shown to what appears to be the most significant weapon against the Global Warming Industry.
A legal landmark ruling, by Mr Justice Michael Button,as reported in the UK
Daily Telegraph of 3rd November 09, is that Belief in Man Made Global Warming is a philosophical belief rather than a scientific belief and as such it is a religion.

The Labor party cannot refute legal oblligations in respect of law and order.
It cannot legislate on the basis of religious belief. This is not theory, it is
consitutional fact.
# t arnold
Monday, November 16, 2009 1:01 PM
We have got to stop Rudd going ahead with this e.t.s.. Since he has been in power he has seemed to take on the task of being GOD and is trying to change the world to his way of thinking. Maybe he should try looking after AUSTRALIA { what he was elected to do[and not worry what some one else is doing in their backyard,also cut back on all the money that is going offshore to other countries,we must be seen as the GOOSE that lays the golden egg.

t.arnold

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# Prue
Monday, November 16, 2009 2:20 PM
My grandmother (who would now be 100 years old if she was alive) spoke often of 50 degree heat for days on end when she was a child - and droughts and floods. It is seasonal cycles. That's not to say that we should not be recycling, or using green shopping bags etc.

Australia needs you to keep on fighting against the ETS - I also agree it is a ridiculous tax that will not achieve what we are being told it will, and that all this stuff about climate change is scaremongering.

I agree totally with Brian Fowler's comments in particular. I too have signed the petition, in case it will help in the fight.
Go Barnaby.
# Maggie Wood
Monday, November 16, 2009 3:48 PM
I equate PM Rudd to Tony Blair when he was so actively trying to 'buy' himself a top position in the EU. It got him nowhere.

I hope PM Rudd also will get nowhere trying to 'buy' himself a top position in the UN. But if he succeeds the Oz we know will be a thing of the past.

I can forsee a civil war as soon as the Oz population gets hungry enough.
# John Rodgers
Monday, November 16, 2009 4:49 PM
Hi
I found an article from the Bundaberg Mail & Burnett Advertiser dated DECEMBER 23rd 1901 and I Quote Record Temperatures for the district were recorded at Gin Gin last Wednesday where the sun heat registered 63 degrees celcius. end Quote. I dont think there were many cars or factories belching Co2 into the atmosphere back in those times.
# John Rodgers
Monday, November 16, 2009 4:57 PM
Hi again
If Keven Rudd signs the climate Control Agreement in Copenhagen and in effect he is handing over our sovereinty to the NEW WORLD ORDER and I believe this is one more step towards this end, maybe the final step wont he be breaking the rules of our CONSTITUTION
John Rodgers
Monday, November 16, 2009 5:32 PM
my greatest concern of late with this ETS is the Copenhague treaty. I have read a little of what this treaty is all about and to me it is simply a means of taking over our sovernity. The billions of dollars that we, the Australian Taxpayer will be made to pay to this organisation to comply with climate control is criminal and if we don't meet the standards that has been set for us they will fine us billions more. Kevin Rudd needs to be stopped from signing this treaty, it certainly isn't beneficial to the Australian people at all.
# Andrew
Monday, November 16, 2009 10:01 PM
Can everyone please look at the basic facts? Man made global warming is a scientific fact. The scientists who don't believe in climate change are equal in number to those who don't believe smoking causes lung cancer.

If you don't agree with the ETS then that is fine. Let's all disscuss, deliberate, argue about the scheme or alternatives. But please don't try and spin what has been confirmed by the best scientists in the world, left or right wing politically, that man made global warming is a fact and we need to take decisive action to abate serious issues for our children, our farming future and this world we live in.
# alex derm
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:57 AM
for those who think that global warming is a fact please review this site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0.

one of the assertions is that al gore has bought property in an area that will be under water if his predictions comes to pass. the whole business has a smell about it. keep up the good work and stand firm barnaby
# Margaret Williams
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:21 AM
Andrew! What basic facts? What proof of AGW? You’d be very hard pushed to name 5,000 climate related scientists who agree with CO2 causing climate change, never mind AGW, and most of them would be in the IPCC ‘system’. I can point you to a list of over 9000 such scientists who disagree and around 22000 others to boot!

And what the hell has lung cancer got to do with Climate Change? That remark proves that you are an indoctrinated repeater – you can’t even think of an original simile!

What farming future?
Rudd's offer to exclude Agriculture from the ETS, is a blatant appeasement; an effort to get an open ended (tax) scheme, which will do nothing to reduce CO2, through parliament and into law – our objections won’t be of any use then! This offer has been made in full knowledge that it will be overruled, in the name of unification (easier governance), a couple of years after the main ‘polluters’ sign up to the UN Framework.

Have you read the latest IPPC report? Have you noticed all the if's, possible's, could's, may's etc., used in that document?
Have you read the Australian ETS and the Copenhagen Framework on CC document?
Have you looked for and found positive proof that we humans are responsible for GW/CC.

IF YOU HAVE FOUND PROOF please post it on this site - the whole world is looking for it – INCLUDING THE IPCC!

Mr. Gore tacitly admitted, that the errors and exaggerations, including 9 outright lies in his 'Inconvenient Truth' - were in the name of advancing Global Warming hysteria which has made him the world's first Carbon Billionaire.

Banking elites and International Corporations are making billions out of carbon trading already and it hasn’t reduced CO2 in any shape or form. But, that doesn't stop them hovering, gluttonously, around the trough waiting for carbon trading to go global, and when that happens you will begin to realize just what the word 'inflation' means - even if you do manage to get yourself one of the new 'green jobs' geared to replace around a third of those that will be lost when small companies, subsidized or not, go down the gurgler.

Sorry Andrew but these people have spent nearly 3 decades indoctrinating the world's population with their version of Climate Change - teaching it in schools - scaring my grandchildren half to death in the process - all one sided and without dabate. Culminating in the IPCC putting out a 'summary' of a report that they hadn't finished yet! Why? Because the report, which they had months to prepare, had to manipulate science, new and old, to fit the summary? - or because the typist took a fortnights holiday?

Doesn't this all beg questions in your mind? The fact that, and I'm sure you have heard this a million times, many more REAL scientists, highly educated in sciences related to the Climate, disagree with the IPCC's theory of AGW. REAL scientists who can't get published - mainly because they can't get their work peer reviewed!?
Do you know what 'peer reviewed' means?
It DOES NOT MEAN that the science and the RESULTS ARE CORRECT; it merely means that the METHOD USED was scientifically sustainable!!

The religion of climate change and a World Wide UN ETS will lead to the destruction of many freedoms you experience today - be thankful that people the world over are waking up to this scam and are making their voices heard.

# Melanie
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:35 AM
This is your time Nationals ,get lord monckton over here and blow this whole scam to pieces ,After all he is theonly one who has taken these scammers to court and won with scientific facts .We need a new gov choice LABOR ARE THE SCAMMERS Turnbull is just a labor front and you and a few liberal are the onlyones speaking the truth ,seems like a great time to make a push .
# Gregory Rauchle
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:40 AM
SUBJECT: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html

If one thing more than any other is used to justify proposals that the world must spend tens of trillions of dollars on combating global warming, it is the belief that we face a disastrous rise in sea levels. The Antarctic and Greenland ice caps will melt, we are told, warming oceans will expand, and the result will be catastrophe.

Although the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) only predicts a sea level rise of 59cm (17 inches) by 2100, Al Gore in his Oscar-winning film An Inconvenient Truth went much further, talking of 20 feet, and showing computer graphics of cities such as Shanghai and San Francisco half under water. We all know the graphic showing central London in similar plight. As for tiny island nations such as the Maldives and Tuvalu, as Prince Charles likes to tell us and the Archbishop of Canterbury was again parroting last week, they are due to vanish.

But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story.
Despite fluctuations down as well as up, "the sea is not rising," he says. "It hasn't risen in 50 years." If there is any rise this century it will "not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm". And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by
Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.

The reason why Dr Mörner, formerly a Stockholm professor, is so certain that these claims about sea level rise are 100 per cent wrong is that they are all based on computer model predictions, whereas his findings are based on "going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world".

When running the International Commission on Sea Level Change, he launched a special project on the Maldives, whose leaders have for 20 years been calling for vast sums of international aid to stave off disaster. Six times he and his expert team visited the islands, to confirm that the sea has not risen for half a century. Before announcing his findings, he offered to show the inhabitants a film explaining why they had nothing to worry about. The government refused to let it be shown.

Similarly in Tuvalu, where local leaders have been calling for the inhabitants to be evacuated for 20 years, the sea has if anything dropped in recent decades. The only evidence the scaremongers can cite is based on the fact that extracting groundwater for pineapple growing has allowed seawater to seep in to replace it. Meanwhile, Venice has been sinking rather than the Adriatic rising, says Dr Mörner.

One of his most shocking discoveries was why the IPCC has been able to show sea levels rising by 2.3mm a year. Until 2003, even its own satellite-based evidence showed no upward trend. But suddenly the graph tilted upwards because the IPCC's favoured experts had drawn on the finding of a single tide-gauge in Hong Kong harbour showing a 2.3mm rise. The entire global sea-level projection was then adjusted upwards by a "corrective factor" of 2.3mm, because, as the IPCC scientists admitted, they "needed to show a trend".

When I spoke to Dr Mörner last week, he expressed his continuing dismay at how the IPCC has fed the scare on this crucial issue. When asked to act as an "expert reviewer" on the IPCC's last two reports, he was "astonished to find that not one of their 22 contributing authors on sea levels was a sea level specialist: not one". Yet the results of all this "deliberate ignorance" and reliance on rigged computer models have become the most powerful single driver of the entire warmist hysteria.

•For more information, see Dr Mörner on YouTube (Google Mörner, Maldives and YouTube); or read on the net his 2007 EIR interview "Claim that sea level is rising is a total fraud"; or email him – morner@pog.nu – to buy a copy of his booklet 'The Greatest Lie Ever Told'
# Gregory Rauchle
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:47 AM
This ETS(Extra Tax System/Employment Termination Scheme) IN ANY FORM is UNACCEPTABLE!
It is based on LIES!
There is no Scientific Facts which support that global warming is caused by mankind!
What arrorgence to think that mankind can even infulence the weather of an entire planet!
GOD may have something to say about that.
The only thing it will achieve is the TOTAL DESTRUCTION of the Australian Economy!
Have a look at Spain's experience with introducing an emissions trading scheme!
UTTER DEVASTATION!
# shannon
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:37 AM
Well said.. Margaret and Gregory..lets hope to God Andrew has the intelligence to do his "homework" and discover that science can be manuplicated along with everything else today..in our case thousands of"human sheep"
I am a science trained career person ...still working in the field ...and I can't believe just how gullible people are...
Im sick of seeing computer modeling telling us "what is the correct solution" or "what the prediction is for the next 10 yrs"....they are wrong and some results are totally impossible.....but hey !!! Drs and scientists are God and "always right"
Aust is turning into a Communist land mass...with people being controlled and spoon fed.The majority are just too busy to think out of the square or have their heads stuck in the sand...hoping it all goes away.
Wake up Aussies......stand up and be counted before its too late...your way of life is seriously under threat ......and its not from climate.....its the almight $$$$$$$$ 's and greed.
# John Rodgers
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:42 AM
Andrew if you go to the following link you can listen to an interview by Alan Jones with Lord Monckton on the true agenda of the Global Warming scam
http://2gb.com.au/index2.phpoption=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=4998
To date we have only been fed one side of the argument every scientist who is against has been shut down or silenced. Lord Monkton in this interview said there are 31478 scientist in America alone who have signed a partition asking their government to REJECT the agreement.
OurGovernment should come clean and allow both sides to be heard in public and also make available a copy of the agreement, this document could be in violation of our Constitution.
John Rodgers Bundaberg
# WHAT IF
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:47 AM
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Barnaby, it's time to give Australians another political choice.
We don't trust either party.
We have been betrayed by labor and liberal.
Differentiate now or Australia will just be another UK.

The UK is falling to pieces - massive societal problems stemming from high levels of migration, residents unable to afford to buy homes, the Brits have been sold out to the EU (unable to vote on the Lisbon treaty), and they have turned into a cctv surveillance society. The list could go on and on...

Australians are struggling under TOO MANY local, state and national taxes, laws, legislation, restrictions, guidelines, fines etc
What is happening to our country?
Why are politicians so eager to do the bidding of the UN?
Why are we globally dictated with the UN Agenda 21 and Codex Alimentarius? These are going to DESTROY us.

Why does the UN want to control our food supplies?
Why does the UN want to dictate what natural foods and supplements are allowed and how they are marketed? (codex)
Why does the UN want to control our property development? (Agenda 21)

WHY IS AUSTRALIA SELLING OUT ITS CITIZENS TO THE UN?

Barnaby the Copenhagen climate change issue is but one of the UN's
distinctly sinister plans for us. Why are nameless, faceless, unelected globalists deciding our future?

Please step up your game
Please dig deeper
Please keep the pressure on
Please expose these issues

PLEASE GET GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD OUT OF OUR FARMS AND FOOD SUPPLY - Australians are becoming sicker and less able to cope with illness.

Why is the WHO (World Health Org) telling us what medicine and vaccines we need? They are in the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies.

We are being affronted on many issues:
Immigration numbers
Clean available water and food supply
Carbon taxes based on fraud
Indoctrination of children in school on climate change
Health choice

Many of these issues stem DIRECTLY BACK TO THE UN.
It's time to be honest
It's time to face Australians and tell them you'll start working for them and NOT the UN.

ACT NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE
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# Gregory Rauchle
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:37 AM
To the poster Andrew. Old son YOU have been BRAINWASHED by the global warming fanatics!
YOU should do some of YOY OWN thinking and reading on the subject, instead of accepting the science fiction being spoon fed to you by the media/government.
THINK, IT MIGHT BE A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR YOU!
YOU MIGHT EVEN ENJOY IT!
# Albert Hopkins Shirley
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:44 AM
Totaly agree 100% with your comments here.
People are being lied to their eyes and there freedoms will be lost as more and more tax which is the new sword held by the governments.
If you go to Senator Fieldings blog on this I have written more about it and to not repeating my self.
people have to wake up to the lies that are beeing said to just get more TAX.
Could just pass a act to say you have to clean up your company with out this threat of tax.
Trying to get people to be Living in FEAR.
when that happens we are back to being slaves and serfs.
NOT ON.
Keep up with what you are saying Barnaby.
All the best.
Albert Hopkins Shirley.
# Gregory Rauchle
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:50 AM
We need SOMEBODY to get Lord Christopher Monckton, Professor Lindzen and others out to Australia to deal with this ENORNMOUS FRAUD that is being perpetrated on the Australian public!
Maybe rallies, television debates, addresses to parliament, blanket media coverage.
Expose the liers!!!
BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
# Gregory Rauchle
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:54 AM
Both Rudd and Turnbull are selling out the Australian people for their own ends.
They are both TRAITORS AND COMMUNISTS!
# judy walker
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:58 AM
If Kevin Rudd and Penny Wong were really concerned about climate change and protecting the environment why would they allow coal exploration on our most productive land at Gunnedah NSW on the Liverpool plains, under the plains lie substantial aquifers that flow into the Murray/Darling System. It makes no sense to put prime agriculture land and water that is keeping this place fertile and drought protected, at risk of contamination by BHP Billiton and the chinese communist government.
# l Abrahams
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:03 PM
G'day Barnaby. Maybe you are the on of a few honest politicians in goverment, well should be.... Good luck mate..
# Rod Jones
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:52 PM
I agree with Mr Barnaby Joyce that this tax is an imposition that we cannot afford. It will send allot of small businesses broke and increase unemployment. The issue of sea level rise attributed to by global warming has not been proven. In fact I believe that the extent of such temperature change is subject to serious doubt since it has been proven that radiation is not trapped in the earth’s atmosphere as originally speculated. Science funded by vested interests is largely to blame for the presenting of potentially misleading information. When are we going to get a group of political leaders in our community that will arrest this madness and stop the headlong plunge into an absurd agreement both nationally and internationally? I do not want to see our great nation sign away our rights to an international body from which we have no redress. Our children will suffer if this occurs. Please stand up and fight for our freedom and rights. I don’t believe if people were given the true facts that any of this would be the will of the people for Australia. Thank you Mr Joyce. Rod Jones
# Margaret Williams
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:22 PM
http://www.stevefielding.com.au/forums/viewthread/466/

Copy and paste the above thread and you will find, on posts 2 and 3, the email addresses of every member of The House of Representatives and those of the members of the Senate.

Send an email to EVERYONE ON THE LISTS - you can copy and paste the email addresses from the above thread.

It doesn't matter how short, or long, the email is as long as you get your point over. FLOOD their email boxes with your emails - even send the same one every day for a week - especially to Senate members!!

At the very least they will have to spend time on deletion but it will still register just how many people are against this tax and AGW

Do it now!!
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:41 PM
Regardless of what K Rudd says now once the tax is implemented it will be too late and they will do as they like. As you say Barnaby it will do nothing for the environment!

Just think if these billions were put into land reforestation, clean technologies, reduction of toxins etc not to mention education, health care and infrastructure.
# W & C Tovey
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:56 PM
Please add my name to your petition
# Margaret Williams
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:30 PM
Do you ever get frustrated by all this AGW/ETS stuff?
I'm currently listening to an 'expert', Ken Baldwin, on his scenario IF WE DON'T REDUCE CO2 emissions by TWENTY FIVE PER CENT BY 2020 THE CORAL REEF ONLY HAS 50% CHANCE OF SURVIVAL!!
I don't know how they can sit in front of a camera and tell such outright lies - although Mr Baldwin's face was totally absent of emotion during an interview lasting a few minutes, he managed to repeat the above mantra no less than five times - talk about telling people something enought times and they'll believe it.
Who is going to reduce CO2 by 25% in 10 years? - Carbon trading and a Global ETS - Please, please, please give me a break!!
True to the norm, this article is everywhere in the media - if only those who know differently had such a voice.
# Darryl Bartelen
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:35 PM
There are claims that agriculture is capable of sequestering large amounts of CO2 into our soils. If it were as easy as some say we would be doing it already because carbon is one of many important components in growing our produce. I believe we are doing our very best at maintaining the current carbon in our soil but if someone out there can show us how we can feasibly increase the carbon content in our soil I am all ears. With N2O emmisions, scientists have developed models showing how much is released to the atmosphere every time we disturb the soil. I wonder if these scientists should start working for BOM and maybe their models will work better than the ones used by this department for predicting the weather for tomorrow!

It would be amusing if it was't so serious. Darryl
# Margaret Williams
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:50 PM
http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/09/the-real-threats-to-coral-atolls/

Nothing here about CO2 destroying Coral!!

Nor in the following:

To believe that we will save these incomparable ecosystems by implementing the almost totally ineffective Kyoto Protocol, or anything like it, is simply wishful thinking ? or worse! For the resulting neglect of the real problem, about which we actually can do something, is to allow earth's coral reefs to continue unimpeded down the road to extinction, which most reefs have already halfway traversed and from whence there is no hope of their ever returning.
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V7/N40/EDIT.php

Hmmm - I wonder
# Gregory Rauchle
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:59 PM
THE NATIONAL PARTY NEEDS TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM THE LIBERALS.
THE LIBERALS ARE TRAITORS WITH SUPPORT FOR ETS/COPENHAGEN.
THEY ARE BUT LABOR STOOGES!

THE NATIONALS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO DO NOT SUPPORT THIS CRAP!

THEY NEED TO RUN CANDIDATES IN ALL ELECTORATES AGAINST LABOR/LIBERAL!
# Margaret Williams
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:03 PM
Please excuse the language - but you just have to watch this if you need some light refreshment from all this heavy AGW/ETS stuff:

http://current.com/items/91462994_george-carlin-on-saving-the-planet.htm
# Mark Leishman
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:51 PM
Keep up the pressure Barnaby. All Parliamentary debate must be delayed until at least after Copenhagen. Cannot be easy against Dictator Rudd's spin and his pro ETS extremists but you have the support of many more people than Rudd realises or cares to admit to.
Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:35 PM
I am with you Barnaby. NO ETS!
# Luke Miller
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:27 AM
Keep up the good work Barnaby, thanks for everything you have done for us so far.
# Gregory Rauchle
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:09 AM
http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2009/11/australia-state-of-intolerance

Doomed Planet

“Today’s debate about global warming is essentially a debate about freedom. The environmentalists would like to mastermind each and every possible (and impossible) aspect of our lives.”

Vaclav Klaus
Blue Planet in Green Shackles
Australia: State of Intolerance

by Merv Bendle

November 15, 2009

Kevin Rudd & The Paranoid Style in Australian Politics

There is something deeply troubling about Kevin Rudd’s extraordinary attack in his Lowy lecture on people who dare to be skeptical about the climate change hysteria that is presently overwhelming Australian politics.

Certainly its breathtaking arrogance and conviction of absolute certitude, its “naming and shaming” attack on political opponents and commentators, and its relentless dot-point repetition and stylistic vapidity, are worrying enough. However, its depiction of a giant global conspiracy of climate change deniers and skeptics reveals something more, a disturbed mental state first identified in 1965 by the great American historian Richard Hofstadter in his essay on “The Paranoid Style in American Politics”.

In this very influential work, Hofstadter described the role played in politics by “a style of mind [characterized by] heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy”, together with “systematized delusions of persecution and of one’s own greatness”, and “overheated, over-suspicious, over-aggressive, grandiose, and apocalyptic [forms] of expression”. Hofstadter explains how the paranoid-style politician sees himself as a champion of his society, the vulnerable masses, and indeed the entire world, locked in mortal battle with deeply entrenched conspiracies that aim to destroy them all. As their defender, he “sees the fate of this conspiracy in apocalyptic terms – he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values”.

As an example, Hofstadter cited Senator Joseph McCarthy, who raged against “a great conspiracy, a conspiracy on a scale so immense as to dwarf any previous such venture in the history of man. A conspiracy of infamy so black that [it] shall forever [be] deserving of the maledictions of all honest men”.

In comparison, Rudd rises to the same rhetorical heights, referring to “the climate change skeptics, the climate change deniers, the opponents of climate change action [who] are active in every country … They are powerful ... driven by vested interests ... alive in every major country including Australia, [they] constitute a powerful global force for inaction … quite literally holding the world to ransom”. Their aim “is to destroy the CPRS at home, and … to destroy agreed global action on climate change abroad, and our children’s fate – and our grandchildren’s fate – will lie entirely with them … The clock is ticking for the planet, but the climate change skeptics simply do not care. The vested interests at work are simply too great”.

As a devout Christian, Rudd also appears to make a Biblical reference where he talks of “the legion of climate change skeptics [who] happily play with our children’s future”. This evokes the story of Jesus (Mark 5:1-13) confronting the man possessed by demons: “Jesus asked him, ‘What is your name?’ ‘My name is Legion’, he replied, ‘for we are many’.” Realizing they must leave the man, the demons begged Jesus to allow them to possess a passing herd of pigs, but when they did “the herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned”. This is, of course, a passage that is infamous amongst environmentalists because they believe it demonstrates Christianity’s anthropocentric attitudes and lack of care for the environment. In Rudd’s hands the reference might also betray an extraordinarily exalted self-perception of himself as a divine champion ridding the body-politic of the demons of skepticism that presently possess it.

Over the past few years Australian politics has moved from a political paradigm defined by a preoccupation with patriotism, history, and a concern with the Australian character, to one increasingly defined by globalism, paranoia, and an obsession with apocalyptic views of the future. John Howard was the master of one, and comfortable with ordinary Australians and their aspirations; while Rudd is making a claim to be the master of the other, and is far more comfortable with foreign heads of state and UN officials, and their aspirations, which are, of course, his own.

Therefore, what the climate change imbroglio demonstrates is that the actual real-world interests of our nation and the pragmatic solutions they require will be ignored by a Prime Minister who exhibits no particular aptitude for such day-to-day political activity, but increasingly perceives both himself and his role in the world in absolute, grandiose, and messianic terms. Modern history has demonstrated many times that political messianism is a very dangerous thing and so the question remains: do we have the politicians with the courage required to put the brakes on this increasingly menacing process, or will the future of Australia be sacrificed on the altar of the eco-apocalypse?
# Philip Hingston
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:11 AM
Well done Barnaby,
Can't help wondering what all those Labor voters will think when their electricity bill doubles in the years ahead if this insanity isn't stopped. But let's not forget their food bill, or their fuel bill, or the cost of every single thing they have to buy. What will they feel when the company they work for is forced to shut down and relocate to India or China. Don't they realise that the whole country can't get jobs in the public service.
It is clear that the Left Wing leaders of the Western World haven't got a clue how the real world works. Let's get rid of this nonsense before they do irreparable damage to the world...Keep up the good work..

# Max Mason
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:41 AM
This all started with the water rights of farmers. The government & big business & people with plenty of money buy up from the farmers when they are down & when thing improve & they want to buy back those rights they have to pay an inflated price & thereby big business etc makes a huge profit. Remember also the farmer still has to pay for his water entitlement even if he is not allowed to use it!
The Emission Trading Scheme is a tax on everyone. Why do you think the big financial institutions overseas are already gearing up for it including Alf Gore & his cronies.
# Andrei
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:46 AM
Hi Barnaby,

I live in a big city (not a regional town) but I will vote for you in any election - because you take a sensible position. A tax is a tax whatever name they give to it.

Regards,
Andrei
# Roger Sherrington
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:57 AM
Congratulations Barnaby, finally someone has got the guts to stand up for sanity. I am certain most fair and caring minded Australians want a cleaner climate, and I think most are doing their bit towards it. However, an ETS is an extremely unjust, illogical tax grab that will not improve our lives one iota. I wish you every success on behalf of every logically minded person in Australia.

Regards
Roger Sherrington
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:58 AM
Can someone please tell me how a tax can change the climate?
# Susan Dockar
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:02 AM
Dear Barnaby,

I fully support your views and wish wholeheartedly that this petition and the views and voices of others actually do make a difference and stop this seemingly radical and fanatical PM to take note. Going on his current stance though, he is seemingly totally oblivious of any other views other than his own. There is obviously a bigger picture he is aiming for if he cannot support real Australians and listen to their wishes, let alone debate anything. Heaven forbid he might have to go somewhere without reading off what others have written for him and actually say something himself.

Anyway, I am passionately behind getting rid of this tax and hoping that you will somehow be in the right place at the right time to become PM - sooner rather than later.

cheers
Sooze
# Michael Perry
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:03 AM
Thank God for you Barnaby, no one else appears to have the guts to stand up to either Labor or the left wing liberals.
# Gregory Rauchle
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:19 AM
SUBJECT: PROVED, THERE IS NO CLIMATE CRISIS

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/press/proved_no_climate_crisis.html

Mathematical proof that there is no “climate crisis” appears today in a major, peer-reviewed paper in Physics and Society, a learned journal of the 4,600-strong American Physical Society, SPPI reports.
Christopher Monckton, who once advised Margaret Thatcher, demonstrates via 30 equations that computer models used by the UN’s climate panel (IPCC) were pre-programmed with overstated values for the three variables whose product is “climate sensitivity” (temperature increase in response to greenhouse-gas increase), resulting in a 500-2000% overstatement of CO2’s effect on temperature in the IPCC’s latest climate assessment report, published in 2007.

Climate Sensitivity Reconsidered [http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/index.cfm] demonstrates that later this century a doubling of the concentration of CO2 compared with pre-industrial levels will increase global mean surface temperature not by the 6 °F predicted by the IPCC but, harmlessly, by little more than 1 °F. Lord Monckton concludes –

“… Perhaps real-world climate sensitivity is very much below the IPCC’s estimates. Perhaps, therefore, there is no ‘climate crisis’ at all. … The correct policy approach to a non-problem is to have the courage to do nothing.”

Larry Gould, Professor of Physics at the University of Hartford and Chair (2004) of the New England Section of the American Physical Society (APS), has been studying climate-change science for four years. He said:

“I was impressed by an hour-long academic lecture which criticized claims about ‘global warming’ and explained the implications of the physics of radiative transfer for climate change. I was pleased that the audience responded to the informative presentation with a prolonged, standing ovation. That is what happened when, at the invitation of the President of our University, Christopher Monckton lectured here in Hartford this spring. I am delighted that Physics and Society, an APS journal, has published his detailed paper refining and reporting his important and revealing results.‘

“To me the value of this paper lies in its dispassionate but ruthlessly clear exposition – or, rather, exposé – of the IPCC’s method of evaluating climate sensitivity. The detailed arguments in this paper, and, indeed, in a large number of other scientific papers, point up extensive errors, including numerous projection errors of climate models, as well as misleading statements by the IPCC. Consequently, there are no rational grounds for believing either the IPCC or any other claims of dangerous anthropogenic ‘global warming’.”


Lord Monckton’s paper reveals that –


The IPCC’s 2007 climate summary overstated CO2’s impact on temperature by 500-2000%;
CO2 enrichment will add little more than 1 °F (0.6 °C) to global mean surface temperature by 2100;
Not one of the three key variables whose product is climate sensitivity can be measured directly;
The IPCC’s values for these key variables are taken from only four published papers, not 2,500;
The IPCC’s values for each of the three variables, and hence for climate sensitivity, are overstated;
“Global warming” halted ten years ago, and surface temperature has been falling for seven years;
Not one of the computer models relied upon by the IPCC predicted so long and rapid a cooling;
The IPCC inserted a table into the scientists’ draft, overstating the effect of ice-melt by 1000%;
It was proved 50 years ago that predicting climate more than two weeks ahead is impossible;
Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth warmed;
In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years.
# Doug glossop
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:26 AM
Hi Barnaby. Australia needs a super hero right now. And you're it! Kindest regards Doug.
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:40 AM
Dear Barnaby Joyce
My husband Edwin M. O'Hara-Close and I support wholeheartedly your stand against ETS. We have endeavoured to sign the petition but have great difficulty sending it for inclusion. Perhaps we don't understand regarding the security code. Please help.
# Joe
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:56 AM
Rudd is not a patriot.
Australia needs a Prime Minister who is a patriot.
# Pamela Grieger
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:59 AM
Political insanity. What are the leaders of this country thinking??? or aren't they thinking at all.
# carmen watt
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:01 AM
I am disgusted by the apocalypse now hysteria labor is coming out with this week. They must be hitting the panic button realising we can't all be kept in the dark after all & theur dirty little secret about the treaty they have kept hidden from all of us is out.

When is Australia going to wake up?????

Mickey central
# Keith Ryan.
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 AM
Barnaby.
This Emisions trading TAX is an insult to Australians who on the whole are very much in tune with our envirenment.
the third world countries that we are going to give money too are the worst for emmisions with all their 2 stroke motor bikes and diesal powered vehicals.
Also this Copenhagen farce is to be stopped.
This world government farce also needs to be stopped.
The UN can not control any of the rouge stages Zimbarbwee and Nth Korea.
They will see us as a soft touch and with Kevin Rudd at the helm he agrees to everything they ask.
The assylum Seekers policy is a joke.
All the Previous Govt policies that were working have been changed resulting in a armarda of Boat People.
Even the Liberals are not taking advantage of the best chance they have ever had to make up ground.
Keep up the Fight.
You seem to be the only one talking sense and not saying sorry for everything.
Regards.
Keith Ryan.
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:28 AM
The arrogance of those who think they can control the climate is astounding to say the least. Worse, Rudd et al talk about how it is time to end the climate change debate. What debate? That is the problem there has never been a debate. Disagree and you are called names. The Left talk about democracy but their kind of democracy only extends to those who toe their line. If only the young folk would understand that it is Labor folk - state and federal who take away our freedom. The ETS is yet another controlling device - another fraud on our nation.

United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change committee member Dr Kiminori Itoh PhD is an award-winning, environmental physical chemist from Japan. He described global warming fears as the “worst scientific scandal in history” and “when people come to know the truth they will feel deceived by scientists.”

http://www.strategicpublishinggroup.com/title/GarciasSmokingHouse.html
# Carolyn Penzias
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:35 AM
I totally agree that this is nothing more than a huge tax and an impost on the Australian people. Can't help but think our movie star Prime Minister has no idea! What a worry..thank goodness for you Barnaby. Keep the pressure on.
# Margaret Williams
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:33 AM
To Kevin Rudd and his spineless Labour cohorts who haven’t got the guts to break the party line - even though they know the truth of it. Follow your damn conscience for a change!

TAKE A LEAD FROM THE HONOURABLE MR. BARNABY JOYCE!!
# Maurie Chiandotto
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:38 AM
I totally agree with opinion on the ETS. It's just a massive tax that will put the Australian economy at a disadvantage against the rest of the world. It's time we had a proper debate on the whole climate issue.

It is obvious that the climate change brigade don't want any debate as it will expose all the holes in their argument.

Keep on fighting for some common sense debate on the ETS.
# Bob Salthouse3
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:48 AM
Rudd sounds big, to himself, but his effect on the world stage is a bit like the tail trying to wag the dog.
or, as Shakespeare put it
"We listen to noises abroad, to silemce noises at home"
# John
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:24 PM
The carbon tax is being brought in to pay for KRudd's mindless spending and his hoped for advancement to Secretary General of the UN. Even if agriculture does not have to pay, everything else is and farmers will get hit too and produce prices will rise because of it. KRudd will destroy Australia for his own selfish needs.

Where's Turnbull?? His silence is deafening
# gay warburton
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:26 PM
I protest strongly against this ill thought out tax. It is only a means for the Labour Govt to recovery monies squandered since they came into office. This does nothing to address any issue or provide a solution (if one is really needed) in relation to climate change (which has been going on for billions of years and will continue to do so). Scare mongering is not the way to go.
# Jen Bell
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:38 PM
Thank god someone is finally making sense! Thank you for the work you are doing to stop this insanity. Don't be fooled Australians by this green propaganda.
# Gary Powell
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:00 PM
Why should we pay $7 billion to the UN for a scam such as ETS ? Some street demos would be in order. This is just a massive grab for our money. And of course the bankers have nothing to do with it. Ha bloody ha !
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:23 PM
The ETS is about the survival of the human race into the next century, not only Australians but also the starving people(children) in africa and other developing nations. To debase the issue as you have done is paramount to human abuse!! Between you and Wilson Tuckey I don't know who has less brains!!?? You are full of yourself so I had better let you get back to play school>
# June Dancis
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:11 PM
I am not sure if my 'signing of the petition' has gone thru as like another blogger am not familiar with the code business.
However, my husband & I are very much against the ETS. It is obviously a grab for money & is useless in changing the climate. It remins me of the story about King Canute trying to stop the tide!
However, our very real concern is the Copenhagen Treaty - what kind of person could ever vaguely contemplate signing any kind of treaty in which even just a suggestion of the possibility of interferrence in one's own country's consititution let alone to sign a treaty totally giving away the conuntry's soverignity to an unelected group of nameless persons!
# Margaret Williams
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:15 PM
Sorry Dart - you're wrong!!

The UN, NATO and all their cohorts -WHO, WTO, IMF, IBS, WWF etc, have been 'helping' the starving African communities and other poor nations for the last three decades. Some of the puppet rulers helped into power by the above became mega rich while their people's are worse off now than they ever have been. There's more poverty, ill health, hunger, less 'home grown' industry therefore few jobs and even genocide than there ever was. If you want proof have a look at some of John Pilgers documentaries - they're real eye openers.

So what makes you think that a UN ETS will help these people in the future when their main aim is to devastate the western culture in favour of aiding developing countries such as India and China to "build only clean energy making facilities"? Erm?! Can't you see anything wrong with this?

The bankers and international corporations have already made billions from carbon taxes and your hero Mr. Gore is the first carbon trading BILLIONAIRE in the world - please don't tell me he didn't realise that would be a consequence of the lies and exaggerations in his 'Inconvenient Truth"!! These people are all jostling for position around the trough to make sure they are the biggest beneficiary of the world ETS And no, they are not after the money, they're after power and control and just want to make sure no one else gets it.

You may think the proposed $10 a tonne for carbon during the first year and the 5% inflation that it will cause is not going to do any great harm to the Australian people, but after the first year the price per tonne will fluctuate with the financial markets. If the price goes to $40- $50 per tonne in year two - and this is the figure that our government has pre-budgeted for!! - how would you feel then? There will be no reductions in CO2 and yesterday I read that one of our wonderful parliamentary 'Green's' has confidently announced that, for this tax to do anything about actually reducing CO2 in the atmosphere, the price would have to be around $285 per tonne - feeling nauseous yet?

I hope so, because this is an OPEN ENDED tax. it's not like GST which has always been held at 10% in this country - Oh! And don't forget that GST is calculated AFTER every other tax has been levied on goods and services - so add 10% to all the above figures.

So, can you not see the possibility that the belief of AGW was exploited through educational indoctrination - never proposed as a theory but presented as a factual consensus from the start? And it is only now that the ramifications of such a long standing belief - and where it is leading - ie to the likely formation of a World Government body to which even the financial markets of every country will be subordinate, that people are beginning to question the AGW hypothosis - for that is what this farce is.

# Gregory Rauchle
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:47 PM
CHECK OUT THIS OUTRAGE!
THIS IS WHAT IS BEHIND THIS ETS/Copenhagen RUBBISH!
AUSTRALIANS BEING TAXED BACK TO THE STONE AGE TO PROP UP THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES!
THIS IS IN ADDITION TO OUR FOREIGN AID WE ALREADY PROVIDE!!



SUBJECT: Africa agrees on secret climate damages demand

http://www.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUSLH624029._CH_.2400

Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:56am EST


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* Meles says figures of up to $100 billion discussed

* Three African premiers hammer out position

* Say could accept less than full treaty



By Barry Malone

ADDIS ABABA, Nov 17 (Reuters) - African leaders agreed on Tuesday on how much cash to demand from the rich world to compensate for the impact of climate change on the continent but kept the figure secret ahead of next month's Copenhagen talks.

The United Nations summit in Denmark will try to agree on how to counter climate change and come up with a post-Kyoto treaty protocol to curb emissions.

"We have set a minimum beyond which we will not go," Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi, who will represent Africa at the talks, told reporters. "But I am not in a position to tell you what that minimum figure will be."

Exhaustive preparatory talks since 2007 have failed to solve splits between rich and poor countries or find extra funds to help developing nations to pay for expensive technology to ensure they do not over pollute as their economies grow.

"There are many calculations including up to the $100 billion (a year) mark that has been set by some experts. We will be very flexible," Meles said.

Poor nations want rich countries to cut emissions by 40 percent from 1990 levels by 2020. But some in the West complain that such cuts are not realistic, especially so soon after the global economic downturn.

So far, promises by the rich fall short, at cuts of about 11 to 15 percent.



THREATENED WALKOUT

Fearing that the talks may fail, Denmark last week said it would ask world leaders to come for the final two days of the Dec. 7-18 conference to push for a deal at the meeting, originally meant for environment ministers.

Meles -- who has threatened a walkout of the 52 African nations he will represent -- said his priorities at the talks would be to ensure carbon emissions are reduced and to secure a fair yearly compensation amount for Africa.

The Ethiopian leader was speaking in Addis Ababa at a meeting of an African Union (AU) committee of 10 nations charged with agreeing a common position.

Aid workers say a five-year drought, worsened by climate change, is afflicting 23 million people in east Africa, with Ethiopia worst affected.

Kenya's President Mwai Kibaki and Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni also attended the last session the AU group will have before next month's talks.

Meles said Africa wanted a treaty to be agreed in Copenhagen but could accept a "binding political agreement" as a steppingstone to a treaty being agreed later.

The Geneva-based Global Humanitarian Forum says poor nations bear more than nine-tenths of the human and economic burden of climate change.

The 50 poorest countries, however, contribute less than 1 percent of the carbon dioxide emissions that scientists say are threatening the planet, it says.
# Sue
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:12 PM
Barnaby,

Never in my entire life have I ever come across such a blatant lie as the ETS. It is nothing more than a quick way to bankrupt Australia by transferring the Nations welf to third world countries. Our prime minister does not care what happens to us. All he cares about is his grand desires to have a seat on the UN. Perhaps our PM needs a simple biology lesson? After all, plants take in carbon dioxide and give us life giving oxygen.
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:45 PM
Get ready to lose your lifestyle, your income and your freedoms if K Rudd signs this agreement

www.twawki.wordpress.com
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:53 PM
I add my own and indeed and each of my families names to this utter nonsense put up by Rudd to rort us and indeed every Australian taxpayer with his so called climate change and emissions trading tax nonsense. This fool of a man is not looking after the interests of the Australian taxpayer but rather, looking after his own interests on the world stage. He is neither a leader, nor a statesman nor an innovater - just a failed EX=
commonwealth public service clerk who ought to be shafted sooner rather than later - I say down a mine with a size 11 boot after him. A little man trying to make a name for himself on the world stage - I pray that he fails and I believe he will prove to be an utter failure in every way. A thorough FAILURE indeed in my view.! So there!
# fadi hasbani
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:19 PM
God bless you Barnaby finally we have a politician talking the "locals" language and Dudd Rudd trying to screw us for all the ALP stuff ups and shortcomings. Go you good thing we all hear what you're saying because we are saying the same thing NO ETS FOR AUSTRALIA.
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:30 PM
Go Barnaby!!!! Keep up the good work. We need to have someone like yourself with the brains and the courage to stand up for the best interests of the Australian people.Please continue to fight for us & our beautiful country. Please endeavour to let people know what the true impact of this ETS will have on us, as I'm sure many have no idea of the full implications of this ridiculous con.
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:33 PM
Go Barnaby!!!! Keep up the good work. We need to have someone like yourself with the brains and the courage to stand up for the best interests of the Australian people.Please continue to fight for us & our beautiful country. Please endeavour to let people know what the true impact of this ETS will have on us, as I'm sure many have no idea of the full implications of this ridiculous con.
# shannon
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:19 PM
Has anyone else here noticed that the media and news items around anything to do with ETs has been "gagged". The govn and only their opinons are getting any media coverage while this is being "thrashed out " in the Senate.
You cant even comment tonight on news items on MSN.
I can't believe this is happening .!!
I wonder if Rudd is related to the Chinese as well.
God Barnaby and co ...please stay strong and dont cave in.
If we force an early election......so be it...at least there might be more debate on the whole senario..
Malcolm T should be ashamed ...with next to no comments ..what on earth is he playing at?
# Margaret Williams
Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:09 AM
Everyone should read this..........

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/blogwatch/rudd_warns_skeptics.pdf

It's a step by step rebuttal of Rudd's attack on AGW skeptics.
# robert s
Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:21 AM
Sorry to do this to your site Barnaby, but people just have to read
this stuff.

By Kris Sayce from Money Morning http://www.moneymorning.com.au:80/
Last Friday we wrote the following in Money Morning:

"Lord Monckton claims he's seen a copy of the Treaty that all the attendees of the Copenhagen Conference will sign. A treaty that will result in a world government and a huge cost to Western nations. And more specifically, a huge cost to Western taxpayers... The problem we have is the same problem we always have when someone claims to have seen a document but fails to produce it... For Lord Monckton to claim that he's seen it but is unable to provide a copy of it, sets alarm bells ringing."

Well, thanks to the industrious readers of Money Morning, by the time our working day at the office finished last Friday we had received 37 emails providing a link to the draft treaty.

The treaty - in draft form - does exist. That's why we consumed a large helping of humble pie yesterday.

In fact we even received an email from Lord Monckton of Brenchley himself. And in tomorrow's Money Morning you'll be able to read a 1,000 word essay from his Lordship arguing why Copenhagen is "a sinister non-answer to a non-problem."

So make sure you tune in tomorrow for that.

However, just because something exists doesn't mean the claims about it are true, ie. That a 'world government' will be formed.

Only, well, it's just possible that Lord Monckton is right on that score too!

Your editor read through the 181 pages of the draft treaty over the weekend. As you can imagine it makes last weekend quite possibly the most boring we've ever experienced in our life.

Look, we won't bore you with a summary of the entire document because you can read it for yourself here, instead I've picked out two of the most troubling sections.

Page 18, paragraph 36 states the following:

"It should include a financial mechanism and a facilitative mechanism drawn up to facilitate the design, adoption and carrying out of public policies, as the prevailing instrument, to which market rules and related dynamics should be subordinate, in order to assure the full, effective and sustained implementation of the Convention."
In other words, the bureaucrats and politicians will try to 'buck' the market. The conclusion from this paragraph is that the market will be "subordinate" to the decisions of public policy makers.

It's central planning at its worst.

If that doesn't set alarm bells ringing then nothing will.

But what about this idea of a 'one world government'? That is surely the stuff of conspiracy theories.

Not necessarily. It depends how you think of the formation of a government. But I'll get onto that in a moment. First of all, here's the text from page 18, paragraph 38 and 38a of the draft treaty:

"The scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three basic pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial mechanism... The government will be ruled by the COP with the support of a new subsidiary body on adaptation, and of an Executive Board responsible for the management of the new funds and the related facilitative processes and bodies. The current Convention secretariat will operate as such, as appropriate."

There it is in black and white. But don't take my word for it, read it for yourself. You can click here to access the full draft treaty.

The 'COP' is the Conference of the Parties, a very communist sounding name. As we can gather, the COP are the nations who attend the meeting. So on first impressions, the COP will be in charge of the 'government.'

Of course, that's how all these things start until they realize it is too cumbersome. That, we dare say is where the 'Executive Board' comes in. And doubtless the COP will delegate their powers to the Executive Board in order 'streamline' processes.

So, let me ask the question again. Does this confirm Lord Monckton's theory of a global government? As I said above, it depends on how you picture a government, but it's looking pretty compelling.

If you think of a government with a parliament or congress with a prime minister or president leading it, then the answer is probably, no.

But if you think of government as a commission or a 'panel of experts' which will gradually assume more power over time then that's exactly what we're looking at here.

You only have to look at the European Union for the blue print of how these things develop.

Once power is conferred on the bureaucrats and politicians it's virtually impossible to wrest it away. They find ever more overlaps between their initial jurisdiction and other areas.

Clearly, they argue, they can't do their job properly if they don't have control over the allied areas as well.

And so their power creeps ever further into more areas of policy and control.

But as I say, this isn't the stuff of conspiracy theories. Just look at state and the federal government in Australia or in any other country to see how politicians and bureaucrats always seek to gain more control.

Even when they talk about deregulation what they really mean is re-regulation. When was the last time a law was repealed without being replaced by a new one?

It doesn't require much imagination to extrapolate this. If you agree that state and national governments act to increase their powers, then you must also agree that the same governments will be prepared to team up with other governments to increase their powers.

Again we can see that domestically with the Council of Australian Governments (COAG).

Is it so crazy to believe that the federal government would band together with other national governments?

Of course not - G-20 and APEC spring to mind immediately. You can simply refer to the Leaders' Declaration from the APEC meeting I linked to yesterday to see that it's all about them gaining more power to satisfy their own ambition:

"We support the goals of the G-20 Framework for Strong, Sustainable and Balanced Growth. We join in their commitment to: Work together to ensure that our macroeconomic, regulatory and structural policies are collectively consistent with more sustainable and balanced trajectories of growth..."
"Work together" and "collectively", gee whizz, Lenin and Marx would be proud of that one.

So if you accept that state and federal politicians crave power. If you accept that state and federal politicians are prepared to band together to increase their power. And if you accept that national politicians will join together with other nations' politicians to increase their power across borders...

Then why should it be considered 'whacky' to suggest that world leaders would want group together to create an international 'government' to increase their power further?

Look, I know what you may be thinking, "Sayce has finally fallen off his perch into the nut farm," but hey, you know we like to base all our arguments on logic. And logic - not conspiracy theories - and history tells us that the political and bureaucratic animal in government craves more power.

If you find a flaw in our logic above then of course you're welcome to post a message to the Money Morning messageboard telling us so.

Or you can send an email to Shae with the email address moneymorning@moneymorning.com.au who is holding the Money Morning mailbag open.

If you choose this method then just type "Why Sayce should/shouldn't* be sent to the nut farm" [* delete as appropriate] in the subject line!

But if you've followed the development of the European Union over the last twenty years - as your editor has - then you'll know how dangerous the gradual creep of supranational government is.

Remember, the current European Union didn't start off as a 27 nation body with a parliament in Strasbourg and a European Commission of unelected representatives each responsible for drafting policies that supersede national parliaments.

It didn't start off as a body that was given control over the finances of each member country.

It didn't start off as a body that was given ultimate control over the legal systems of each member country.

And it didn't start off as a body that would have its own ambassadors, foreign policy, defence policy, agricultural policy, energy policy, infrastructure policy, education policy, environmental policy, transport policy, etc...

In fact there are twenty-seven EU commissioners each with the responsibility of creating policy that affects almost every aspect of the lives of 300 million people.

So how did it all start? Well, it started out as the fairly narrow sounding European Coal and Steel Community in 1952.

Got that, coal and steel, steel and coal. That's it.

Fifty-seven years later and it makes decisions that affect almost every aspect of the lives of European citizens. It has been transformed from a slim six nation organization created - on the surface - to support free trade in coal and steel, to an obese and grotesque organization with near unlimited powers across Europe.

But even if you look at the original Treaty of Paris it gives away clues to what the politicians and bureaucrats really had in store.

The Treaty of Paris mentions: The High Authority, The Assembly, The Council, The Court, Production, Prices, Wages, and Transport. All of which gave the European politicians a foot in the door to meddle further.

So as I say, do we really need to stretch our imagination any further to think that under the ruse of Climate Change, the United Nations and individual nations' politicians have the biggest free-kick they've ever been given to form a global body of influence and power.

And the sad fact is, if the development of the European Union is anything to go by, it won't be for another fifty years that we'll realize the consequences of letting politicians and bureaucrats get their foot in the door today.

Comments online (when the article is posted) and to the Money Morning mailbag are welcome.

Cheers.
Kris.

# JEANIE
Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:08 AM
DEAR BARNABY OR STAFFERS, HOW IS THE PETITION GOING? .....DO WE NEED "FEET ON THE STREET?" REGARDS, JEANIE
# JEANIE
Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:17 AM
TO KRIS,ABOVE: IS MONEY MORNING AVAILABLE ONLY ON THE INTERNET? THANX, JEANIE
# Merve Richards
Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:27 AM
Congratulations Barnaby for being the only ringer with the guts to hobble
the show pony running this paddock before he kicks the sliprails down and
lets the brumbys in. Keep up the good work. Triole's elevator stops short
of the top floor. Regards Merve.
# Ernest Kitto
Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:54 AM
Congratulations for telling it as it is. They don't like the message so now they are trying to shoot the messenger. How about asking in Parliament what the mean tide levels have been at Fort Denison for the last hundred years? It hasn't changed! It has changed in some Pacific Islands which are sinking due to sesmic activity. The I.P.C.C. has lost all credibility by using false data. In any case CO2 is a benificial gas. Plants love it at three times present levels. Intensive horticulturests raise the levels to 1200ppm to increase plant growth and water efficiency.
# Mandy Barrett
Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:48 AM
Agreed that ETS is a ridiculous tax. Obviously the earth is getting warmer but we are not contributing to it. Its simply another cycle or 'age' of our planet.

There are no 'facts' to support our contribution to global warming- there are simply theories.
# Liz
Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:09 AM
I see no redeeming features in Rudd's plan to save us from global warming. To exempt the biggest polluters and not invest in clean technologies and by making the scheme so convoluted and expensive, it is clear that he really is trying to scam us all.
# Gregory Rauchle
Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:13 AM
SUJECT: Deceived again #3: more proof that Wong faked her sea scare

Hi All,
Thought you might like to hear about this:-

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/n/

WONG HAS BEEN CAUGHT OUT LYING!
WHERE IS THE MEDIA COVERAGE ON THIS??????
SHE SHOULD BE MADE TO RESIGN!
Cheers
# Will Scott
Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:35 AM
I hope sufficient publicity has occurred to illustrate and demonstrate to the public what this master plan called climate change really is. It is in my mind a Marxist plan to take control of the world, the theft of funds from the west on the premise of helping the third world. Aid money only causes wars in the third world, and allows crooked dishonest companies to make a killing in the lawless anarchy that now Africa has become. At the meeting of African leaders on climate change in Addis Abba I hope any people sitting on the fence about this issue noted that the likes of our favorite dictator non other than The Honorable R.G. Mugabe was there with his hands out for the redistribution of your hard earned cash. Also remember in the 70,s the ice age was upon us and we were all going to die; some of these people are the same ones that were behind that scam. Call me a cynic but one should ask ones self whats in it for Kev and his team, if you can't be head of the UN I guess King of the world will have to suffice, or at least the courts jester. And there were the Australian voters at the last election thinking they were voting for a PM, and not for the new royal family from Queensland.
# Roger Stewart
Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:59 AM
Dear Senator Joyce:

As we near the critical second vote on the government's ETS plan, I wanted to let you know that I am in complete support of your position and efforts to defeat this insane legislative agenda.

You are undoubtedly paying a huge political price for the stand you take so I think it important that you hear from those of us who share your concerns and doubts about the ETS. While we have been vilified, as a group, by the Prime Minister, his rhetoric does nothing to to ameliorate the dangerous economic consequences of his ETS policy nor does the policy itself further the cause of real gains in any attempt to stem global warming. In fact, for the sake of garnering a much desired place on the world stage Mr. Rudd seems unwilling to let any scientists sceptical of carbon-induced climate change to have their day in court. I would argue that he is the one gambling with our children's future rather than we so-called "deniers."

I am sincere in my hopes that you will carry the day when the issue comes up for a second and final vote. Australia's welfare truly rests in the balance.

Respectfully,

Roger Stewart
# lisa & Richard
Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:01 PM
ETS is a scam. When is Rudd going to realise we are not his political ego stepping stone. ETS is a rip off in the broad scale. No Copenhagen agreement, and ultimately No Kevin Rudd!
# John B
Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:07 PM
Sorry Robert S. The informatuion from Kris is not right. Lord Monkton was on a US talk show 2 weeks ago with the draft treaty and quoted from it in a lively debate with the former US Embassodr to the UN.
# FRED
Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:11 PM
SUBJECT: FIGHT BACK!

Here are some email addresses of idiots who are promoting this man mad global warming CRAP:-

info@environmentaustralia.com.au ;blair@350.org;daisy.barham@foe.org.au;eleanor.smith@foe.org.au;louise.morris@foe.org.au;ozgreen@ozgreen.org.au;risingtide@risingtide.org.au;
annamaria.arabia@fasts.org

EMAIL THEM AND TELL THEM WHAT YOU REALLY THINK!
I have!!!!!
# Alex
Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:22 PM
Keep up the good work mate. This tax is a rort. No one has put forward a practical alternative. An ETS still allows people to pollute, it just means that if you have the money to pay to pollute you can. Why not look at practical solutions to use less of the resources we already have - more fuwk efficient cars, better public transport, better builiding standards, solar panels, recycling etc. Most people are content with these measure instead of an Orwellian like big brother dictating what we can and cannot do.
I and many others support the stand taken by yourself and other members of the Coalition. You've got my vote
# Trevor Hughes
Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:39 PM
The ETS is one of a long list of failed initiatives. Leadership is about providing an example of a universally successful paradigm not using the differences between people to divide and conquer. We are over regulated to the degree where it is impossible to chart an effective course in life. Our parents built Australia without the intrusion of bureaucrats . What is needed is a shift away from regulation and a move to real and positive examples we can all follow and be involved in.When we actually work on stuff things get done cheaply and efficiently.Sadly ??? it does not involve a cut for the bureaucrats and bankers. But who cares about them anyway ?
# Greg Rauchle
Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:01 PM
Join the "GLOBAL CONSPIRACY" against the ETS(Employment Termination Scheme/Extra Tax System)!
Here is the link:-

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/join_my_global_conspiracy/desc/P0#commentsmore

TELL EVERYBODY YOU KNOW!!!!!!!!
# Michael Renehan
Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:18 PM
I tried to add my name to the ETS petition but is requires a security code. What is this code so that I can be counted in Mike renehan
# j carlin
Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:54 PM


Please Barnaby, you must win this one,
For Gods sake have not any of the politicians read the terms of what they are agreeing to, in our, the people of Australia's name?
Or do our new leaders hate Australia as much as I am beginning to suspect they do.
Global Warming, so called, is a beat up. The perpertrators are all over the world terrorising children in schools and brainwashing the ignorant public into thinking they are going to be swept away by rising floodwaters tomorrow,
Why has Al Gore bought a huge power guzzling condo right on the beach if he believes what he is ranting about,
What evil men are behind all the lies and for what reason.
In a few years time everyone will have forgotten the hysteria, but we will still be paying -
# Greg Rauchle
Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:16 PM
SUBJECT: More on the Sustainability Declaration Form in QLD

Have a read of this!
It is beyond OUTRAGEOUS!
Everybody should be aware what is happening with this.

http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/michael-smith-blog/more-on-the-sustainability-declaration/20091119-io49.html

Cheers
# John Rodgers
Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:46 PM
Hi
I think we need to send more e mails to Polititions to let them know they are not the only game in town we are part of the also.
this is a copy of an e mail I sent to Malcolm turnbull.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Rodgers
To: Malcolm.Turnbull.MP@aph.gov.au
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:32 PM
Subject: Global Warming


The Hon Malcolm Turnbull MP
Have you personally researched the scientific facts available on both sides of the global warming debate, are you aware that the climate has actually been cooling since about 2004, and are you aware that even if Co2 doubled it would only make .6 of a degree difference.
I have just downloaded a copy of the draft copehagen agreement and it worries me that the treaty calls for us to pay this new Government which will be set up a percentage of our GDP to be distributed to developing countries, we already donate money & give aid to 3rd world countries & it mostly doesn't get past their corrupt governments so what will be different.
What is the rush to sign is there a hidden agenda, so far the media only reports the government side is this because they are controlled by someone above, I think this is going to have such a profound impact on australia we need more time to evaluate BOTH sides of the argument.
I think a spin off from this is going to be trading in carbon credits & is going to make certain people very rich maybe this is the hidden agenda, I would like to hear your side of the argument.
Regards John Rodgers
# Lorikeet
Friday, November 20, 2009 10:48 AM
Some posters here have asked some questions. Here are some answers.

Why are globalists deciding our future?

This is because governments have allowed them to manipulate and own us over the last 30+ years. We now have a gross foreign debt exceeding $1.2 trillion, which I don't think we have much chance of repaying.

Who are the globalists?

They are the heads of huge international corporations, such as The Macquarie Group who intend to rule the world, after the Copenhagen Treaty is signed.

Why can't opponents of the ETS get newspaper space, television or radio time?

The media are owned by huge international corporations. Think of people such as Rupert Murdoch, but don't pay any attention to the lies he is telling us.

Why don't people understand that a Green agenda is being used to achieve a Global Corporate Communist Government which will turn us all into paupers?

It is because our people have been bombarded with "Climate Change" bullshit over many years, commencing 30+ years ago, and coinciding with the rise of huge corporations.

I thought it was illegal for destructive cults to indoctrinate underage students in our schools, but it seems that the government can do anything it chooses with impunity.
# Greg Rauchle
Friday, November 20, 2009 3:55 PM
Hey everybody, here is an interesting link which exposes many of Rudd's lies. Check it out!

http://kevinruddlies.com/lies/kevin.htm
# John Rodgers
Saturday, November 21, 2009 3:57 PM
Hi
I am still e mailing Senators & Mp's this is the latest that I have sent to Tony Abbott
Comments: The Hon Tony Abbott Mp
I believe you have doubts about the validity of the global warming argument. the science proves that Co2 does not cause global warming it is the other way around in fact Co2 lags behind global warming by 800 years +_ 200 years, the sun activity shows an exact correlation on a graph to global warming & cooling.
I now have a copy of the Draft of the copehagen agreement and this isn't so much about Global warming as it is about politics and any Prime Minister who would sign this is selling his country out. I beseach you to not agree to the Government ETS, Stand against it and Australians will thank you.
Regards John Rodgers
# David Metcalf
Monday, November 23, 2009 10:57 AM
Pollution is not free. We're already paying the tax - carbon and methane emissions already have a cost, only we're paying for it with the debt of our future livelihoods, health, global food and water security.

Like massive debt consumers before the Global Financial Crisis, we ignore all the warning signs - Global Warming just seems too horrible to be believable - it's easier to close our eyes and blocks our ears and pretend it will all go away.

Markets need regulation and polluters need regulation.

An ETS moves these costs into the original price to correct a market imbalance (it's called a Pigovian tax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigovian_tax).

Australia has the highest per capita emissions IN THE WORLD. Global warming is REAL and it's happening FAST. This is not musical chairs anymore children...

By the time the crackpot deniers wake up to reality, it might just be a little too late.

We either adapt now, or suffer terrible consequences.

Australia needs to show leadership, mate-ship and basic ethics. We need to back our friends in the fight against polluters, not because it's easy, but because it's the right thing to do.


It's ludicrous is to think humans could clear fell most of the World's forests, pour many billion of tonnes of carbon into the atmosphere each year and expect that nothing would happen. We've disrupted Earth's basic feedback mechanisms. We don't have time to wait for the perfect solution - we've run out of time to act.

We are now facing a runaway problem - as reflective white ice melts, insulating humidity increases, warming oceans release disolved CO2, melting artic ice and permafrost release methane, phytoplankton die from warming oceans (responsible for 50% of half of the photosynthesis on Earth). The problem becomes self reinforcing and accelerates.

Global warming due to human activity is acknowledged and confirmed by the national academies of science of all major industrialized countries.


If you want to know the real scam in Australia, here's a good starting point.

"The Dirty Politics of Climate Change"
http://www.tai.org.au/documents/downloads/WP84.pdf

The filthy polluter lobby groups can only deceive and pervert the truth for so long...

Wake up people.
# Queenslanders
Monday, November 23, 2009 11:43 AM
This is a ridiculous waste of money, and certainly not necessary to have the go ahead just to pander to somebody's ego - we vote most definitely against the whole issue. This whole green carry-on is a farce - every time something happens, they hide behind it - and incidentally, isn't it a big money spinner? Surprise, surprise! What happened to the meaning of government in the first place - it's supposed to be the voice of the people. Excuse me? We don't seem to have a say in things. This government is totally useless - and I'm basically a Labor supporter! They seem to have forgotten what the meaning of a democratic government is. Go ahead, block it as best you can please.
Monday, November 23, 2009 12:34 PM
This massive tax rort must be stopped in its tracks. We will pay for it for ever.
# Joanne Rea
Monday, November 23, 2009 3:09 PM
You're doing a great job. If the coalition has to go to an election on this (ETS) they would win.
Maybe we would have to find a more charismatic leader but changing just before an election does have precedents.
# Terry Stafford
Monday, November 23, 2009 7:51 PM
So I rest my case.

Global Warming Meltdown: Climategate!
22 Nov 2009 | 3:49 pm Infowars
Alan Caruba
Warning Signs
November 22, 2009

For those of us “skeptics” and “deniers” who have been jumping up and down, pointing at the Sun, and saying, “See, it’s the Sun that determines how warm or cool the Earth is. See it? Up there in the sky?” The truth about some of the scientists behind the global warming hoax has finally arrived.




Now that Hadley CRU and its conspirators have been exposed, there truly is no need to hold a December UN climate change conference in Copenhagen.


The hoax has its roots in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), an instrument of the United Nations Environmental Program, for whom global warming was the open sesame to achieving a one-world-government by scaring nations into signing a treaty that would control their use of energy, the means of producing it, and require vast billions to be sent to less developed nations in exchange for “emitting” greenhouse gases.

Energy is called “the master resource” because, if you have lots of it, you can call your own shots. If you don’t, you are condemned to live in the dark and keeping people in the dark about the global warming hoax was essential.

For years the IPCC has been controlled by a handful of the worst liars in the world, utterly devoted to taking actual climate data and twisting it to confirm the assertion that the Earth was not only warming dramatically, but that humanity was in peril of rising oceans, melting glaciers and polar ice caps, more hurricanes, the die-off of countless animal species, and every other calamity that could possibly be attributed to “global warming”, including acne.

So, around November 20, when some enterprising individual hacked into the computers of the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (CRU), making off with thousands of emails and documents that demonstrate the level of collusion and deception being practiced by its scientists.

It’s a climate hoax expose that some are calling the revelations a “little blue dress” while others are comparing it to the Pentagon Papers. It has also been dubbed “climategate.”

As James Delingpole wrote in the Telegraph, one of England’s leading newspapers, “Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organized resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more” was revealed in the 61 megabites of confidential files released on the Internet for anyone to read.


A d v e r t i s e m e n t

The conspirators had a visceral hatred for scientists who challenged their phony statistics and climate data, but they also agonized over the difficulties of hiding a long established climate cycle such as the Medieval Warm Period. At one point it was left out of a graph that famously became known as “the hockey stick” because it depicted a ludicrous sudden rise in warming, ignoring the previous natural cycle.

At the heart of the revelations were the intense efforts to ensure that no legitimate scientist, particularly those dissenting from the various IPCC reports, would be allowed to participate in the peer review process. Peer review is an essential element in science as it permits other scientists to examine and test the data being put forth to substantiate a new interpretation or discovery.

The IPCC reports were the basis by which popular media such as National Geographic, Time and Newsweek magazines could spread the lies about a dramatic “global warming”, passing them off to an unsuspecting and scientifically illiterate general public. At the same time, the lies were integrated them into school curriculums and maintained by Hollywood celebrities, politicians and others, duped or deliberately ignorant.

To this day, otherwise legitimate news media outlets continue to trumpet and repeat absolute nonsense about “global warming” like brain-dead parrots.

Now that Hadley CRU and its conspirators have been exposed, there truly is no need to hold a December UN climate change conference in Copenhagen; one in which nations would be required to put limits on “greenhouse gas emissions” even though such gases, primarily carbon dioxide, have nothing to do with altering the Earth’s climate.

And that is why you are going to hear more about “climate change” and far less about “global warming.” Hidden in such discussions, intended to justify legislation and regulation, is that the Earth’s climate has always and will always change.

It is, for example, shameful and deceitful for the EPA to claim carbon dioxide is a “pollutant” that should be regulated. The same applies to “cap-and-trade” legislation with the same purpose.

Billions of taxpayer dollars have been wasted on studies of global warming and poured into agencies such as NASA that have lent credence to the global warming hoax.

“The U.S. taxpayer has much exposure here in the joint projects and collaborations which operated in reliance upon what the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit was doing,” says Christopher C. Horner, a longtime global warming skeptic. “There are U.S. taxpayer-funded offices and individuals involved in the machinations addressed in the emails, and in the emails themselves.”

Horner, the author of “Red Hot Lies”, said that the initial revelations “give the appearance of a conspiracy to defraud, by parties working in taxpayer funded agencies collaborating on ways to misrepresent material on which an awful lot of taxpayer money rides.”

The climate, defined as long term trends, and the weather has nothing whatever to do with human activity and suggesting it does reveals the depth of contempt that people like Al Gore and his ilk have for humanity and those fleeced by purchasing “carbon credits” or paying more for electricity when their utility does.

The East Anglia CRU charlatans have been exposed. Most certainly, the United Nations IPCC should be disbanded in disgrace. It belongs in a museum of hoaxes right beside the Piltdown Man and the Loch Ness Monster.
# leo
Monday, November 23, 2009 9:38 PM
I would just like to thank you for all your efforts in trying to stop this
madness,
# John Richard
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:44 AM
I agree with your sentiments
The only ones to benifit are the non productive futures traders
Remember where Turnbull made his money
# Terry Stafford
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:33 PM


CRU Commented Source Code Tells Story
23 Nov 2009 | 7:14 pm Infowars
Watts Up With That?
November 23, 2009

When the CRU emails first made it into news stories, there was immediate reaction from the head of CRU, Dr. Phil Jones over this passage in an email:

From a yahoo.com news story:

In one leaked e-mail, the research center’s director, Phil Jones, writes to colleagues about graphs showing climate statistics over the last millennium. He alludes to a technique used by a fellow scientist to “hide the decline” in recent global temperatures. Some evidence appears to show a halt in a rise of global temperatures from about 1960, but is contradicted by other evidence which appears to show a rise in temperatures is continuing.

Jones wrote that, in compiling new data, he had “just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e., from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline,” according to a leaked e-mail, which the author confirmed was genuine.

Dr. Jones responded.

However, Jones denied manipulating evidence and insisted his comment had been taken out of context. “The word ‘trick’ was used here colloquially, as in a clever thing to do. It is ludicrous to suggest that it refers to anything untoward,” he said in a statement Saturday.

Ok fine, but how Dr. Jones, do you explain this?

There’s a file of code also in the collection of emails and documents from CRU. A commenter named Neal on climate audit writes:

People are talking about the emails being smoking guns but I find the remarks in the code and the code more of a smoking gun. The code is so hacked around to give predetermined results that it shows the bias of the coder. In other words make the code ignore inconvenient data to show what I want it to show. The code after a quick scan is quite a mess. Anyone with any pride would be to ashamed of to let it out public viewing. As examples [of] bias take a look at the following remarks from the MANN code files:

Here’s the code with the comments left by the programmer:


function mkp2correlation,indts,depts,remts,t,filter=filter,refperiod=refperiod,$
datathresh=datathresh
;
; THIS WORKS WITH REMTS BEING A 2D ARRAY (nseries,ntime) OF MULTIPLE TIMESERIES
; WHOSE INFLUENCE IS TO BE REMOVED. UNFORTUNATELY THE IDL5.4 p_correlate
; FAILS WITH >1 SERIES TO HOLD CONSTANT, SO I HAVE TO REMOVE THEIR INFLUENCE
; FROM BOTH INDTS AND DEPTS USING MULTIPLE LINEAR REGRESSION AND THEN USE THE
; USUAL correlate FUNCTION ON THE RESIDUALS.
;
pro maps12,yrstart,doinfill=doinfill
;
; Plots 24 yearly maps of calibrated (PCR-infilled or not) MXD reconstructions
; of growing season temperatures. Uses “corrected” MXD – but shouldn’t usually
; plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer to
; the real temperatures.
;
and later the same programming comment again in another routine:


;
; Plots (1 at a time) yearly maps of calibrated (PCR-infilled or not) MXD
; reconstructions
; of growing season temperatures. Uses “corrected” MXD – but shouldn’t usually
; plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer to
; the real temperatures.


A d v e r t i s e m e n t

You can claim an email you wrote years ago isn’t accurate saying it was “taken out of context”, but a programmer making notes in the code does so that he/she can document what the code is actually doing at that stage, so that anyone who looks at it later can figure out why this function doesn’t plot past 1960. In this case, it is not allowing all of the temperature data to be plotted. Growing season data (summer months when the new tree rings are formed) past 1960 is thrown out because “these will be artificially adjusted to look closer to the real temperatures”, which implies some post processing routine.

Spin that, spin it to the moon if you want. I’ll believe programmer notes over the word of somebody who stands to gain from suggesting there’s nothing “untowards” about it.

Either the data tells the story of nature or it does not. Data that has been “artificially adjusted to look closer to the real temperatures” is false data, yielding a false result.

For more details, see Mike’s Nature Trick

UPDATE: By way of verification….

The source files with the comments that are the topic of this thread are in this folder of the FOI2009.zip file

/documents/osborn-tree6/mann/oldprog

in the files
maps12.pro
maps15.pro
maps24.pro

These first two files are dated 1/18/2000, and the map24 file on 11/10/1999 so it fits timeline-wise with Dr. Jones email where he mentions “Mike’s Nature trick” which is dated 11/16/1999, six days later.

UPDATE2: Commenter Eric at the Climate Audit Mirror site writes:

================

From documents\harris-tree\recon_esper.pro:


; Computes regressions on full, high and low pass Esper et al. (2002) series,
; anomalies against full NH temperatures and other series.
; CALIBRATES IT AGAINST THE LAND-ONLY TEMPERATURES NORTH OF 20 N
;
; Specify period over which to compute the regressions (stop in 1960 to avoid
; the decline

Note the wording here “avoid the decline” versus “hide the decline” in the famous email.

===============

I’ll give Dr. Jones and CRU the benefit of the doubt, maybe these are not “untowards” issues, but these things scream for rational explanations. Having transparency and being able to replicate all this years ago would have gone a long way towards either correcting problems and/or assuaging concerns.

Lord Monckton: Prosecute the Climate Change Criminals
23 Nov 2009 | 4:17 pm Infowars
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
November 29, 2009

Lord Monckton, who challenged Al Gore on man-made climate change and was rebuffed by a gaggle of peevish Democrats, wants the climate “scientists” caught red-handed fiddling with climate stats prosecuted.

“They are not merely bad scientists — they are crooks. And crooks who have perpetrated their crimes at the expense of British and U.S. taxpayers,” writes Monckton. “With Professor Fred Singer, who founded the U.S. Satellite Weather Service, I have reported them to the UK’s Information Commissioner, with a request that he investigate their offenses and, if thought fit, prosecute.”



Alex Jones on the CRU emails and the globalist plan to use the climate change hoax to impose one-world government.

Monckton does not hold out much hope for that, however. “But I won’t be holding my breath: In the police state that Britain has now sadly become, with supine news media largely owned and controlled by the government, the establishment tends to look after its own.”

The corporate media is doing its best to downplay the story. “Revelation of a series of embarrassing e-mails by climate scientists provides fodder for critics, but experts believe the issue will not hurt the U.S. climate bill’s chance for passage or efforts to forge a global climate change deal,” reports Reuters. Anthony Leiserowitz, the director of the Yale Project on Climate Change, said the release of the emails will be remembered mostly as “embarrassment” to the researchers. “But there’s no smoking gun in the e-mails from what I’ve seen.”

No smoking gun? The so-called researchers colluded to modify climate data in favor of their man-made climate change fairy tale.

“The tiny, close-knit clique of climate scientists who invented and now drive the ‘global warming’ fraud — for fraud is what we now know it to be — tampered with temperature data so assiduously that, on the recent admission of one of them, land temperatures since 1980 have risen twice as fast as ocean temperatures,” writes Monckton in a bog entry today. “One of the thousands of emails recently circulated by a whistleblower at the University of East Anglia, where one of the world’s four global-temperature datasets is compiled, reveals that data were altered so as to prevent a recent decline in temperature from showing in the record. In fact, there has been no statistically significant ‘global warming’ for 15 years — and there has been rapid and significant cooling for nine years.”


Russia Today reports on the CRU emails.

Instead of demanding researchers answer questions about inventing and fiddling with data, the University of East Anglia has asked the cops to investigate the hackers who revealed the bogus work of “our globally-respected Climatic Research Unit” that supposedly produces “research [that] is, and has always been, fully peer-reviewed by the relevant journals, and is one strand of research underpinning the strong consensus that human activity is affecting the world’s climate in ways that are potentially dangerous.”

In other words, fake data used to impose a one-world government and global serfdom is “fully peer-reviewed.”

“In addition to supporting the police in their enquiries, we will ourselves be conducting a review, with external support, into the circumstances surrounding the theft and publication of this information and any issues emerging from it,” states a CRU update posted earlier today.

“It’s definitely a crime to do that in the U.K., and we have reported it to the police,” said Simon Dunford, a spokesman at East Anglia, which is conducting an internal probe.

The University of East Anglia should be consulting lawyers. Antonio Regalado, writing for Science Magazine, notes that “university researchers may also find themselves in legal jeopardy if they deleted emails requested under the U.K.’s Freedom of Information (FOIA) legislation, a crime under U.K. law.”

Professor Phil Jones, for instance, apparently engaged in a criminal conspiracy to destroy evidence formally petitioned under a Freedom of Information request. “Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise,” Jones emailed Michael E. Mann, a climatologist and statistician at Pennsylvania State University, on May 29, 2008.

As noted above, deleting emails subject to a FOI request is a criminal offense in the United Kingdom, punishable with a fine.

The “arrogant fraudsters,” Monckton continues, “have refused, for years and years and years, to reveal their data and their computer program listings. Now we know why: As a revealing 15,000-line document from the computer division at the Climate Research Unit shows, the programs and data are a hopeless, tangled mess. In effect, the global temperature trends have simply been made up.”

Meanwhile, over at the Huffington Post, Katherine Goldstein and Craig Kanalley dismiss the CRU scandal out of hand. It provides ammo for the right-wing nuts who are — according to the ADL and the Department of Homeland Security — a threat to the nation.

“Despite the lack of evidence of some sort of conspiracy in the scientific community, this criminal activity has created fodder for right-wing groups and websites to promote their own agenda that global warming is not real. This comes at a time when international attention is more and more focused on the climate crisis in advance of the UN climate talks in Copenhagen in December,” they write.

Naturally, the climate change “progressives” — and the globalist foundations that support and nurture them — are worried about the CRU scandal because the United Nations conference on climate change is right around the corner. In December, the 15th Conference of the Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change will meet in Copenhagen to work on a successor treaty to the Kyoto Protocol.

As Lord Monckton explained in October, a realized Copenhagen treaty will establish a “one world Marxist government.”


On October 14, Lord Christopher Monckton gave a presentation in St. Paul, MN on the subject of climate change.

“The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries, in satisfaction of what is called, coyly, ‘climate debt’ – because we’ve been burning CO2 and they haven’t. We’ve been screwing up the climate and they haven’t. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement,” Monckton warned. “They are about to impose a communist world government on the world. You have a president who has very strong sympathies with that point of view. He’s going to sign it. He’ll sign anything. He’s a Nobel Peace Prize [winner]; of course he’ll sign it.”

Replace “Marxist” with “bankster” and you get a better idea of what our rulers have up their sleeves. Moreover, wealth is never transferred to the third world. It is transferred to the global elite. Feel-good palliatives about feeding the poor are merely a parlor trick to steal your money and reduce you to indentured servitude.

“Climategate”: Peer-Review System Was Hijacked By Warming Alarmists
23 Nov 2009 | 4:00 pm Infowars
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, Nov 23, 2009


One of the most striking revelations to immediately emerge from the “climategate” scandal has been references to efforts by scientists espousing the human-caused warming theory to exclude contrary viewpoints from important scientific publications.

Among the thousands of emails and documents hacked or leaked from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University last week are several references to an agenda to shut down scientific debate on global warming by stifling counter-evidence from other scientists.

Dating back to 1996, the emails show that both U.S. and U.K. based scientists referred to any research offering alternate viewpoints as “disinformation”,“misinformation” or “crap” that needs to be kept out of the public domain.

The emails include deliberations amongst the scientists regarding efforts to make sure that reports from the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change include their own research and exclude that of dissenting scientists.

In one of the emails, Phil Jones, the director of the East Anglia climate center, suggested to climate scientist Michael Mann of Penn State University We “will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!”

This is a startling quote, given that Jones and Mann as climate scientists have the authority to review papers and determine whether they are eligible to be published by scientific journals.

Mann even discussed how to destroy a journal that had published papers with contrary views, telling his colleagues that he believed it had been “hijacked by a few skeptics on the editorial board” who had “staged a coup”.

“Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal.” Mann wrote.

In another of the emails, Tom Wigley, climate scientist at the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR), says that the journal in question, Climate Research, “encourages the publication of crap science ‘in order to stimulate debate’”.


A d v e r t i s e m e n t

Wigley noted that the publisher of the journal should be told that it is being “perceived” as a vehicle of “misinformation”, adding that the word “perceived” should be emphasized because “whether it is true or not is not what the publishers care about– it is how the journal is seen by the community that counts.”

Wigley also wrote that a group of 50+ scientists could be gotten together to put their names to a letter to add weight to the claim and hopefully help to remove the editorial board of the journal.

Other emails show that some of the scientists declined to make their data available to independent scientists whose views they disagreed with, clear evidence that they were simply unwilling to engage in scientific debate – a core ethic of the scientific community.

Renowned climate scientist Dr Tim Ball sums up the stunning gravitas of the leaks with regards to the process of peer-reviewing and the publication of papers on climate change in journals.

“What you’ve got here is confirmation of the small group of scientists who, by the way, Professor Wegman who was asked to arbitrate in the debate about the hockey stick, he identified 42 people who were publishing together and also peer-reviewing each other’s literature.” Dr Ball explains.

“So there’s a classic example of the kind of thing that bothered me. About twenty years ago, I started saying ‘Well why are they pushing the peer review?’… And now of course we realise it’s because they had control of their own process. That’s clearly exposed in these emails.”

“On a global scale it’s frightening because this group of people not only control the Hadley Centre, which controls the data on global temperature through the Hadley Climate Research Unit but they also control the IPCC and they’ve manipulated that. And of course the IPCC has become the basis in all governments for the Kyoto protocol, the Copenhagen accord and so on….”

We have long covered the fact that the so called “scientific consensus” on global warming is wholly manufactured and that there are thousands of scientists who have differing viewpoints to the human-induced warming theorists.

Indeed, over two years ago we reported the fact that a survey of over 500 peer reviewed scientific research papers on climate change, written between 2004 and 2007, concluded that less than half endorsed the “consensus view,” that human activity is contributing to considerable global climate change.

We now have clear evidence that a concerted effort has been made by the IPCC connected climate scientists to block dissenting opinion on climate change, regardless of it’s scientific merit.

“This is horrible,” said Pat Michaels, a climate scientist at the Cato Institute in Washington who is directly threatened with physical violence in the emails. “This is what everyone feared. Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult for anyone who does not view global warming as an end-of-the-world issue to publish papers. This isn’t questionable practice, this is unethical.”

John Christy, a scientist at the University of Alabama at Huntsville attacked in the emails for asking that an IPCC report include dissenting viewpoints, said, “It’s disconcerting to realize that legislative actions this nation is preparing to take, and which will cost trillions of dollars, are based upon a view of climate that has not been completely scientifically tested.”

Climategate: CRU Source Code Confirms AGW Fraud From Hacked Documents
23 Nov 2009 | 2:31 pm Infowars
Infowars
November 23, 2009
# John Rodgers
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 6:02 PM
Today the Liberal Party held a secret ballot which was as much about the governments ETS as it was about the leadership, Turnbull survived 48 votes to 35.
Three Liberal Party Secretaries resigned because they didn't agree with the ETS, only the Senate can save us now.
I have e mailed all the Senators & MP's about the Copenhagen Agreement I recieved one reply which was from Marya McDonald // Office of Senator Claire Moore. The e mail is two pages long so I will just paste here a couple of parts of that e mail that are are a must read.
1. In the first place, UN climate change negotiations are highly transparent in that all negotiating text is available on UNFCCC website and most negotiation sessions are open to observers
2. Secondly, there is no ‘draft treaty’ and no agreement to negotiate a new treaty
The Draft Treaty does exist I have a copy as probably most of you do by now, as they rush towards signing don't they care what's in it or are they complicit in this, the GREATEST FRAUD ever imposed on the world.
We need a movement to take this to the highest court to stop Rudd signing until all the arguments are out there for the people to evaluate then maybe a referendum should be held.
John Rodgers Bundaberg
# John Rodgers
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:32 PM
Hi
An Article From Lord Christopher monckton

Viscount Monckton on Climategate: They are Criminals
[The following statement by Lord Christopher Monckton appeared yesterday on the website, ClimateDepot, run by Mark Moranao, former aide to U.S. Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.). Lord Monckton's anti-fascist credentials are well-established, his grandfather having served as the lead solicitor in the 1936 removal of Hitler-admirer King Edward VIII.]

by Christopher Monckton

November 23, 2009

This is what they did—-these climate "scientists" on whose unsupported word the world's classe politique proposes to set up an unelected global government this December in Copenhagen, with vast and unprecedented powers to control all formerly free markets, to tax wealthy nations and all of their financial transactions, to regulate the economic and environmental affairs of all nations, and to confiscate and extinguish all patent and intellectual property rights.

The tiny, close-knit clique of climate scientists who invented and now drive the "global warming" fraud — for fraud is what we now know it to be — tampered with temperature data so assiduously that, on the recent admission of one of them, land temperatures since 1980 have risen twice as fast as ocean temperatures. One of the thousands of emails recently circulated by a whistleblower at the University of East Anglia, where one of the world's four global-temperature datasets is compiled, reveals that data were altered so as to prevent a recent decline in temperature from showing in the record. In fact, there has been no statistically significant global warming for 15 years—and there has been rapid and significant cooling for nine years.

Worse, these arrogant fraudsters—for fraudsters are what we now know them to be—have refused, for years and years and years, to reveal their data and their computer program listings. Now we know why: As a revealing 15,000-line document from the computer division at the Climate Research Unit shows, the programs and data are a hopeless, tangled mess. In effect, the global temperature trends have simply been made up. Unfortunately, the British researchers have been acting closely in league with their U.S. counterparts who compile the other terrestrial temperature dataset—the GISS/NCDC dataset. That dataset too contains numerous biases intended artificially to inflate the natural warming of the 20th century.

Finally, these huckstering snake-oil salesmen and global warming profiteers—for that is what they are—have written to each other encouraging the destruction of data that had been lawfully requested under the Freedom of Information Act in the UK by scientists who wanted to check whether their global temperature record had been properly compiled. And that procurement of data destruction, as they are about to find out to their cost, is a criminal offense. They are not merely bad scientists—they are crooks. And crooks who have perpetrated their crimes at the expense of British and U.S. taxpayers.

I am angry, and so should you be.

What have the mainstream news media said about the Climategate affair? Remarkably little. The few who have brought themselves to comment, through gritted teeth, have said that all of this is a storm in a teacup, and that their friends in the University of East Anglia and elsewhere in the climatological community are good people, really.

No, they're not. They're criminals. With Professor Fred Singer, who founded the U.S. Satellite Weather Service, I have reported them to the UK's Information Commissioner, with a request that he investigate their offenses and, if thought fit, prosecute. But I won't be holding my breath: In the police state that Britain has now sadly become, with supine news media largely owned and controlled by the government, the establishment tends to look after its own.

At our expense, and at the expense of the truth.

The Liberals If they Have any Brains should distance themselves from Labours ETS This just might be the thing that will stop this FRASUD
John Rodgers bundaberg
# John Rodgers
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:33 PM
Hi
An Article From Lord Christopher monckton

Viscount Monckton on Climategate: They are Criminals
[The following statement by Lord Christopher Monckton appeared yesterday on the website, ClimateDepot, run by Mark Moranao, former aide to U.S. Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.). Lord Monckton's anti-fascist credentials are well-established, his grandfather having served as the lead solicitor in the 1936 removal of Hitler-admirer King Edward VIII.]

by Christopher Monckton

November 23, 2009

This is what they did—-these climate "scientists" on whose unsupported word the world's classe politique proposes to set up an unelected global government this December in Copenhagen, with vast and unprecedented powers to control all formerly free markets, to tax wealthy nations and all of their financial transactions, to regulate the economic and environmental affairs of all nations, and to confiscate and extinguish all patent and intellectual property rights.

The tiny, close-knit clique of climate scientists who invented and now drive the "global warming" fraud — for fraud is what we now know it to be — tampered with temperature data so assiduously that, on the recent admission of one of them, land temperatures since 1980 have risen twice as fast as ocean temperatures. One of the thousands of emails recently circulated by a whistleblower at the University of East Anglia, where one of the world's four global-temperature datasets is compiled, reveals that data were altered so as to prevent a recent decline in temperature from showing in the record. In fact, there has been no statistically significant global warming for 15 years—and there has been rapid and significant cooling for nine years.

Worse, these arrogant fraudsters—for fraudsters are what we now know them to be—have refused, for years and years and years, to reveal their data and their computer program listings. Now we know why: As a revealing 15,000-line document from the computer division at the Climate Research Unit shows, the programs and data are a hopeless, tangled mess. In effect, the global temperature trends have simply been made up. Unfortunately, the British researchers have been acting closely in league with their U.S. counterparts who compile the other terrestrial temperature dataset—the GISS/NCDC dataset. That dataset too contains numerous biases intended artificially to inflate the natural warming of the 20th century.

Finally, these huckstering snake-oil salesmen and global warming profiteers—for that is what they are—have written to each other encouraging the destruction of data that had been lawfully requested under the Freedom of Information Act in the UK by scientists who wanted to check whether their global temperature record had been properly compiled. And that procurement of data destruction, as they are about to find out to their cost, is a criminal offense. They are not merely bad scientists—they are crooks. And crooks who have perpetrated their crimes at the expense of British and U.S. taxpayers.

I am angry, and so should you be.

What have the mainstream news media said about the Climategate affair? Remarkably little. The few who have brought themselves to comment, through gritted teeth, have said that all of this is a storm in a teacup, and that their friends in the University of East Anglia and elsewhere in the climatological community are good people, really.

No, they're not. They're criminals. With Professor Fred Singer, who founded the U.S. Satellite Weather Service, I have reported them to the UK's Information Commissioner, with a request that he investigate their offenses and, if thought fit, prosecute. But I won't be holding my breath: In the police state that Britain has now sadly become, with supine news media largely owned and controlled by the government, the establishment tends to look after its own.

At our expense, and at the expense of the truth.

The Liberals If they Have any Brains should distance themselves from Labours ETS This just might be the thing that will stop this FRASUD
John Rodgers bundaberg
# Eddy Linder
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:27 PM
This is not a democracy that we were led to believe. The cleanest fuel to use is Nuclear. We have the second largest deposits of uranium in the the world next to Russia. Wouldnt it make sense to actually be self sustaining via Nuclear Energy. No instead we flog the tax payer to death with carbon taxes, this is ludicrous. I have worked in England at a Nuclear Power Site, in Dungeness in the early 80's - I am still living to tell the tale and so are many others, Nuclear Power is not the monster - ill informed politicians are!
# Ross
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:29 PM
Barnaby, I believe this is a Fabian socialist tax of harassment. I believe you should call it as such. Further you should question the credentials of government members. All those that are members of the Fabian society should be named and shamed. Membership of thew Fabian society is something to be ashamed of. Expose these cappuccino communists. We will be worse off under this bulldust.
# Phill Kliese
Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:56 AM
I am appalled at the misinformation and deception the Labor Government are dishing out to the Australian public in regard to the ETS.

As you have rightly pointed out several times recently, it is simply another way to tax the people of this once great country.

The State and Federal Labor governments have failed miserably in their duty of care and need to be made accountable for this.

Please persist in hammering Miss Wong and don't let this legislation through the senate.

Thanks, from a Queensland recreational fisherman. You helped out the fisherman of Queensland some time ago and we will support you now.


Cheers Phill
# Carl
Thursday, November 26, 2009 9:49 AM
I did background research on the G20, which seems to be the focus of Rudd's shuttle diplomacy and the creation of Costello.
Did you know that G20 wants to implement a Group Carbon Tax and Carbon Trading Market on a multi-country wide basis?

The G20 creates with the ETS the backbone for another global governance centre by functioning as the admin brain of a Carbon Common Market (like original EEC), the world commodity. Note the doc's policies, perhaps it will use carbon levies to raise taxes to fund its spending as carrots for compliance for the remainder G20 states.

Note this extract and the last point.

"Critical role of access to energy for development;
" Importance of energy security, and the role of energy diversification;
" Achieving emissions, development and security goals through developing the right
international investment framework for clean energy.

b. Clean Energy and International Financial Markets, including:
" The production and use of biofuels in the context of a transition to a low-carbon
economy;


" Development of world markets for biofuels, and impacts on other commodity markets,
especially agriculture;
" Trade barriers and the effects of protectionism in agriculture in the development of a
global market for biofuels;
" The impact of the commoditization of biofuels in the global energy and food markets;

" The role of the international carbon market in developing clean energy technologies in
developing countries."

Interesting enough is that fact that the biggest beneficiary of Rudd and Turnbull activities on ETS is Goldman Sachs who will broker the carbon trading credits and debits in the group, worth trillions in transactions if it comes into fruition.

It is a Machiavellian Conspiracy, and it is evident who are the actual beneficiaries of this ETS tax.
It is not coincidence in the USA, Obama passed through Congress the Cap and Trade bill under review by the US Senate, there is too much coordination for this to be mere coincidence.

I wonder how many moles are sleeping inside the Lib Camp?

The core of ETS is to create a Carbon Trading Market to rake the billions, hence the utter desperation by the government to get it passed asap, all funded via the tax payer. There must be something in the ETS set of bills that's a functional gear to the ETS operation hence its split to go undetected by the Nats and Libs.

.

http://www.g20.utoronto.ca/g20plans/g20plans081014.pdf
See the EU President clip on Global Governance with G20 as the centre of “Global Management”.
http://redirectingat.com/?id=593X1004&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhXWeOa-FuyM

Of course the whole carbon market relies on Climate Gate Fraud which has been exposed, I believe both Rudd and Turnbulll have misled their parties and the Parliament, isn’t this a serious offence? There is a clear linkage to beneficiaries, this merits a Senate Inquiry into the beneficiaries.
Thursday, November 26, 2009 12:50 PM
Sen. Joyce,
My anger over the betrayal by Mr. Turnball regarding the ETS is ongoing. I just can't accept this egomaniac is putting our country at risk. Also his hangers on who agree with him are doing the same. I will not be voting Liberal again.
Kind regards Sheryl Jones
# John Rodgers
Thursday, November 26, 2009 6:20 PM
John Rodgers says:
Climategate
How do we get this in to mainstream media & how do we stop Prime Minister Rudd signing any agreement in Copenhagen.
John Rodgers Bundaberg
Friday, November 27, 2009 8:16 AM
Please delay the ETS vote.
I'm a long time Liberal voter and I have never sent a letter/ email concerning an issue before but please give the electorate time to catch up this ETS issue. I don't fully understand it and nobody I know does either. I'm not necessarily against it - I just don't want to be steamrollered into an agreement with apparently far-reaching consequences that I don't fully comprehend.

This issue is a vote swithcher and if a secret ballot were taken, I am sure that an overwhelming number of Labour voters would also want to delay the vote - Australians don't understand the ETS.

Graham Nunn
Friday, November 27, 2009 9:48 PM
What a ridiculous article. The comments below it are even more so - think the human race should keep on poluting the earth to get rid of itself if, there are so many true tragics around. Barnaby are you really that thick??? I have never read such ignorant, irrational, statements anywhere. Pity farmers love their droughts and floods so much, that they won't accept the one tax we city slickers want to save them. Are you all really so thick???

Cult, Doomsday - what hash are you twisted guys on?? The overwhelming data comes from the vast majority of scientists; have you tried to listen to the evil peer reviewed, highly respected, critically analysed experts in the field. Or just he tin pot few that have had their eviidence blown out of the water. The same scientific process that overwhelmingly shows climate change is the same as that gave you TV's ,radios, modern medicine and a multitude of modern agricultural techniques.

Why not go back to the dark ages, and see what cults and flatworld technology really gives you. Where the heck does communism enter the framework here??? NO, sorry there is no plot the reds were never under the beds, you poor scared deluded people. Have you really read the literature widely? Allan Jones is an ex-english teacher, for God's sake, you would listen to him and his selective reading of the scientific literature, rather that the vast material that the majority of the world's best scientists. Bless your poor cow cockey hats.
# John Cameron
Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:51 AM
ETS Will benefit Al Gore & Banker's--Burden Taxpayer's
The Money and Connections Behind Al Gore's Carbon Crusade - HUMAN ...3 Oct 2007 ... Al Gore's campaign against global warming is shifting into high gear. ... Trading System (ETS) that the EU established to implement the Kyoto Protocol. ... They include David Blood, former CEO of Goldman Sachs Asset ...
www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22663
fin
# John Rodgers
Saturday, November 28, 2009 5:04 PM
John Peters I do agree that the human race should not keep on poluting the world but your vast majority of scientists have just been exposed for what they are FRAUDS with the hacking of the CRU's computers and 1079 e mails & all the documents downloaded showing they cooked the books.
In actual fact the vast majority of scientist is inflated this is not the case more scientist disagree than agree.
All that aside two fact can't be denied, one the globe warms before carbon dioxide levels rise because the sea has to warm first to release more carbon dioxide. Two the SUN cause the climate changes, a graph showing global warming & sun spot activity & global cooling & decrease in sunspot activity run in parralel.
it might be time to do your own research.
John Rodgers Bundaberg
# Gary Symons
Saturday, November 28, 2009 5:16 PM
I live in the N.T. Any chance of running candidates up here? I have a feeling the Nats would do amazingly well. The CLP is basically a basket case only slightly better than the ALP (words cannot describe how appalling they are)
# Leonie Ramsay
Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:22 PM
Hi Barnaby

Not withstanding the internal politics of the Coalition over which is apparently just a policy matter and not a cult of personality issue (which has been known for sometime) I just wanted to point people to a couple of writers who I have come across to try and inform my understanding over the climate change debate (all can be found on Youtube).

* Lord Christopher Monckton
* Dr Timothy Ball
and broader than that, Nigel Farage, on World Government.

Whomever ends up leading the Coalition (I am an ALP voter traditionally about to become swinging) in the future I wanted to say that you are the closest thing to a US Senator with pants that we have in Australia and keep up the good work. I also have time for Bill Heffernan. We also have a National in Perth called Brendon Grylls and his 'Royalties for Regions' program has done more than usual for the bush in the last year or so.

Merry Christmas everyone

:)L
# Ross
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:38 PM
Well done at blocking this disgraceful scam in the senate. Now try to convince KRudd to not sign away what little of our sovereignty we have left at Copenhagen. We are still building this country and giving to the rest of the world will further disadvantage Australians, especially in the bush. The run down and inadequate infrastructure in NSW is testament to this.

Call these salon socialists for what they are. And call the UN for what it is. World government that we never voted for, do not need and do not want. Try to stop Rudd and Wong in Copenhagen.
# luke nichols
Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:33 AM
thankyou barnaby keep up the good work. Ive been researching the new ets and effectively it scares the crap out of me. Now even what the government says but that actual origins of the bill...look up things like the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_conspiracy_theory
and
http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html
Can you honestly say the people behind this have Australia at the fore front of there agenda. I'm an Australian, born here and raised here on a farm, i don't want my kids growing up under such crap. If we want a carbon tax then let us decide how it runs not the UN etc

Thank again.
# Bill ODonnell
Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:30 AM
HEAT OF THE MOMENT
Businesses hold world hostage over carbon credits
Even U.N. climate chief tied to new, 'green' extortion scam
Posted: December 13, 2009
10:21 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

WND research reveals the European Union's cap-and-trade exchange is vulnerable to a sophisticated form of corporate extortion in which EU bureaucrats in Brussels are manipulated into paying hundreds of millions of dollars in carbon permit bribes to keep companies from moving jobs to Third World nations.

In fact, it appears the scam is already under way.

The crux of the scheme is this: European steelmakers have threatened to leave the EU for India, eliminating the jobs of thousands of workers in the process, unless the EU grants the steelmakers free carbon credits worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Eurofer, a European trade group, is at the center of the scheme. The web of the plot, however, weaves in not only several companies, but also the United Nations' climate change chief:

* Among its members, Eurofer represents two EU steelmakers, Corus Redcar and ArcelorMittal, each of which has ties to India as well as to Rajendra K. Pachauri, the Indian industrial engineer who has been chairman of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, since 2002.

* Eurofer appears to have coordinated a threat to the European Union Greenhouse Gas Emission Trading System that its steelmakers would move their operations from the EU to India unless the EU cap-and-trade exchange issued them – at no cost – carbon emissions permits worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

* Once the bureaucrats in Brussels acquiesced, Corus Redcar and ArcelorMittal maneuvered to cash in windfall profits from the EU carbon permits given them at no cost.

* Additionally, Corus Redcar has now announced a decision to close operations in Great Britain nonetheless and relocate its steelmaking activities to India in order to gain additional U.N. carbon credits.

Ironically, EU and U.N. officials who might have thought requiring cap-and-trade permits would operate as "protection racket" in which EU companies need to buy carbon credits to continue operations, have now found themselves on the losing end of the reverse scheme.

In the final analysis, the winners are the European Union corporations willing to play hardball with the European Union Greenhouse Gas Emission Trading System, and the losers are the EU middle class workers that are held hostage in the scheme.


Furthermore, WND research on the EU emissions trading system continues to suggest "follow the money" may explain the enthusiasm the U.N. has shown in pursuing global caps on carbon emissions, despite doubts surfacing in the scientific community about the validity of the underlying global warming hypothesis.


Rajendra K. Pachauri

Last week, WND reported a Mumbai-based Indian multinational conglomerate with ties to IPCC Chair Pachauri stands to make several hundred million dollars in carbon credits simply by closing Corus Redcar, a steel production facility in Britain with the loss of 1,700 jobs.

Another carbon trading scam tying back to Pachauri involves Great Britain's richest man, Lakshmi Mittal, an Indian citizen who resides in London.

Mittal stands to gain a £1 billion windfall, not from the operation of his ArcelorMittal steel company, but from carbon credits given his company – at no cost – by the EU emissions trading scheme.

The London Times has reported that after ArcelorMittal and Eurofer intensively lobbied EU bureaucrats in Brussels, the company was granted far more carbon permits than the company needed in order to operate under EU carbon emission regulations.

According to the Times, the steelmakers represented by Eurofer threatened to move plants to India at a cost of 90,000 European jobs, to take advantage of lower labor costs in India and additional carbon credits that would be issued by the U.N. for relocating to a Third World country.

ArcelorMittal, now free to sell its surplus carbon permits on the market or hoard them for future use, stands to gain around £1 billion by 2012, when the prospect the eventual gain could be even greater.

Currently, EU carbon permits are worth about £12.70, but the EU has stated an intention to drive the price above £30.

"Between 2008 and 2012, ArcelorMittal stands to gain assets worth £1 billion at today's prices for scant effort," Anna Pearson, an expert on the trading system known as ETS, told the Times. "For them the ETS has been turned into a system for generating free subsidies."

EU steelmaker has ties to U.N. climate chief

On Dec. 10, 2007, U.N. climate chief Pachauri accepted the Nobel Peace Prize on behalf of the IPCC – which shared it with Al Gore – for their work on global warming.

But Pachauri also has a role in the businesses working the system to profit from carbon trading credits.

In 1974, the TATA Group – which operates the Corus Redcar U.K. plant – provided the financial resources to found the Tata Energy Research Institute, or TERI, a policy organization headquartered in New Dehli, India, of which Pachauri has been chairman since the group was formed.

As WND reported last week, Corus Redcar accumulated a reported 7.5 million EU surplus carbon allowances, or EUAs, given the company free by the ETS after the lobbying effort with Brussels bureaucrats.

Continued business ties between TERI and TATA are demonstrated by a press announcement on the TERI website dated Feb. 4, 2009, in which Jairam Ramesh, the Indian minister of state for commerce and industry as well as minister of state for power, announced a joint venture with TERI and TATA power to extract and use carbon dioxide for the propagation of micro-algae.

Strong-arm tactics win carbon permits in cap-and-trade exchange

The European Union Greenhouse Gas Emission Trading System, or EU ETS, began operations in January 2005, billing itself as "the largest multi-country, multi-sector Greenhouse Gas Emission Trading system world-wide."

The ETS acts as a cap-and-trade exchange in which EU bureaucrats set carbon emission limits for various corporations emitting carbon in their operations.

Corporations emitting more carbon than permitted under the EU carbon emissions scheme are required to buy carbon permits on the ETS exchange.

Corporations with excess carbon permits are permitted to sell those permits on the ETS exchange.

The Corporate European Observatory, a public interest research group headquartered in Brussels, documented in a Dec. 7 report entitled "The EU: A Hollow Champion for the Climate" how the financial crisis (and intense lobbying) let "polluting industry off hook."

The report concluded that the ETS is vulnerable to extortion-like tactics exerted by corporate groups, such as the steelmakers represented by Eurofer.

The report also indicates EU corporations seeking concessions on carbon credits have employed strong-arm tactics, including threats to move operations to lower-cost countries with less onerous carbon emission restrictions outside the EU, which would result in substantial numbers of European jobs lost.
# Arthur Gerard
Sunday, December 20, 2009 10:19 PM
Mr. BarnabyJoyce, Sir...This mail is written post Copenhagen. It looks as though the aspirations of the World's Fabians and Club of Rome Members will have to wait until Mexico for their next attempt to wreck the economies of the "Rich Nations"..Also, some African Generals will now have to cancel the orders for their new military tanks and weapons.Interesting to see Robert Magabe at the conference.
I wonder how many people know the following...Al Gore is a prominent member of the Club of Rome, whose founding member Aurelio Peccei stated...
"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, Global Warming water shortages, famine etc would fit the bill"

Interesting to note that the Fabian Society , whose main ideal is for a One World Government,are right behind Al Gore for the universal application of Emisson Trading. (Al Gore also fronts two companies created to buy Carbon credits) Also interesting to note that several of Australian Labor Prime Ministers are members of the Fabian Society. I did wonder about the sinister intent of the agenda of the Copenhage Conference, that is until I.
read Lord Monktons expose as to the hidden agenda.Be very afraid.
For those interested in a god Google exercise,input the following...
*Al Gore Global Warming Club of Rome...until next time AG
# Brian Mc Dougall
Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:29 PM
Dear Barnaby Joyce,

"Decisions taken at country level can influence and motivate actors ranging from the international community to individuals and have a profound effect on GHG emissions and patterns of consumption and production.
Countries have the power to induce fundamental changes. One way of motivating people is by offering them ways to save money, yet not all governments have exploited the potential of the taxation system to change behaviour to greener patterns. Governments can, for example, introduce carbon taxes on the use of fossil fuels. They can impose taxes on the extraction and production of minerals, energy and timber and structure them to support more climate-friendly practices. Specific taxes are possible on technologies and products which cause significant environmental damage.
Waste disposal, pollution and hazardous wastes can also be taxed. To compensate taxpayers for these new impositions governments can lower other charges, for instance income and sales taxes, and those on property and investment, or simply pay back the amount equally to every inhabitant. At the same time revenue can be used to create incentives and compensate those companies who invest in climate friendly alternatives."

Source: "Kick the Habit: A UN Guide to Climate Neutrality" © 2008 UNEMG, UNEP/GRID-Arendal.

The above explains that Rudd and labour, possibly Nationals too,operate under UN demands, Is this tue? Mr. Joyce or do you truley represent the people?.
Regards BMCD.

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