this global warming religion becomes more bizare every day

A few ideas, split up Telstra. good. Let the private telcos build the broadband network on a commercial basis. Rudd woulld end up paying 50 plus billion for the goverment to do it. Most people will have access to fast wireless broadband in 8 years time for proberley 70% speed of fibre for 30% of the cost. Most people would make that commercial decission. Then the goverment could spend the billions instead on harvesting water from northern n.s.w & nothern territory to where it is needed (real infrastrucure for food production).. Caltex should be prohibited from bying Mobil retail outlets. Maybe the goverment should provide the seed capital for a mutual type fuel retail outlet with franchise type operators. you pay a yearly membership to belong. If it goes well the goverment could get their money back over tiime, like Medibank.. All goverment should do is facilitate & preserve competition in the market place, then you don't waste money trying to moniter competition that is non existent, as in fuel watch, grocery watch. (all spin).
Hey if we can buy as individuals shares in Chinalco & the like treat them like other Multinationals. If not, tell them to piss off. We as Australian need to stand up & look after our wealth & sovereign rights.
The illegal immigrant boat people & the like should be givin the message again pacific soloution style. If we are going to be part of the United Nations refugee program lets not undermine it by allowing this sort of rort! We can take our quota in a methodical & humane way taking people who are processed & in the camps. it turns my stomach to see boatloads of mainly young men comming illegally & dubiously while our & other countries young people are there dying to make ther countries a better place!. we could provide a home for 1,000 Australian familes on a week to week basis for what it is costing to house, ect the 34 boats that have arrived since labour changed the law.

regards Chris.

Hey Barnaby love your work. Wish the liberals were as passionate about the country as much as you are. There should be more of you in parliament.

Just a question could this kevie grubb just trump everyone and just rise the GST rate if he dosen't get his ETS. Carbon is a consumer thing? Well that's the city/greenie's view isn't it?

If this grub is going to get his ETS what are the win falls? if any for Landholders who continuely absorbs carbon through their sustaining land pratices.

Ethanol is the true green energy. Rudd is a kidding himself. The recycling of wastes (swithgrass?/bagasse, manure e.g the mad max2 movie for the simpletons , etc, etc, can produce ethanol). Providing employment opportunities for rural/regional areas. Communities Is my concern.

Enough is Enough mr Joyce! You are just another politician like the rest of these clowns .We want the truth, What is the E.T.S. really going to cost us in relation to our Utilities, Car expenses i.e rego, pink slip, insurance not to mention the cost of fuel and overall maintenance. Are we going to divide the major cities up into Carbon Areas as is London????

What about our food,prices availability and quality. Our Lifestlye Mr Joyce is at risk. You guys are like Nero always fiddling...... while the Australians suffer whilst placeing absolute trust in our politicians.......at our own expense!!!!

TELL US THE TRUTH MR JOYCE !! My last point, will politicians forego the generosity of the Australian People in supplying your over inflated benefits i.e.super et al, I think I know the answer to that.

No wonder that pretender P.M. is having a bunker built down in Canberra, for the select few to hide in like RATS, while his countrymen and women suffer the consequences of his psychopathic delusions.

Whoever reads this comment I suggest DO NOT BELIEVE A WORD THESE PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE INTERESTED IN ONE THING.... THEMSELVES!!!
Contact me Barnarby if you have the balls!

So glad you are questioning the rhetoric linking CO2 to climate change. Very questionable science in my view, more a back door way of implementing a draining world wide tax that will help those with least need.

The ETS is summed up brilliantly in Terry McCrann's recent article:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/terry-mccranns-column/six-letters-in-the-rudd-dictionary-spell-insanity/story-e6frfig6-1225783182193

i recommend distributing this story to all friends and family, so that Australian's will finally wake up to what is happening in their parliament!

The encirclement progresses Barnaby.

Now Paul has galloped in to join us. Ugh! Soon we will set fire to your wagons and the massacre of the treacherous nationals will begin.

Pity. Your scalp will be rather unimpressive, but we can all look forward to tying Boswell to the wagon wheel. ETS a lot of CO2 a burning politician gives off, but not as much as the history of hot air that should, by rights, have made him fly.

Someone put a large pile of paper from Leon Ashby, a climate sceptic, into my mailbox.. I glanced through it and chuckled at the inadequacy of your thinking, He is obsessed with the inadequacies one can find in the ETS, but failed to see any motes in his own eye.

I don't care a damn whether the "human responsible global warming model" is right or wrong. I'm not a climate expert and thus have always been open about the whole story.

BUT I am enthusiastically in favour of any plans to stop the production of co2 by the use of fossil fuels. Yes, you are right is saying that a change to renewable energy will lower our standard of living for a while. You pay lip service to our need to change but ignore the thousand reasons why it is necessary - you are obsessional about the ETS.

We have enough oil to last perhaps a hundred years and coal perhaps could last for about 400 years. Then there will be nothing cheap left to burn easily and we will be forced to adopt a sustainable lifestyle. Then there will then be no option.

The present movement towards living with sustainable energy resulting from the experts belief in “Human caused global warming” means that we can soon wean ourselves off burning oil and coal. They are chemical treasure-houses and should never be wasted by burning them. Perhaps our generation could leave some of these treasures for future generations.

I think we are just thoughtless - we couldn't care a damn about our descendants. Oil and coal are valuable. We waste most of their properties by burning them. Our descendants would love to have a share but we are so greedy that we want to take them all and waste them for making energy - which we can have endlessly from the sun, tides, wind and geothermally. Stupid and selfish.

We believe that oil and coal are cheap. They both took millions of years to create - how much should we be valuing a resource if it takes millions of years to produce and can never be replaced? We naively think that the cost of digging them out of the earth is a real cost. Do you believe the costs we pay for coal and oil are realistic? Of course this is nonsense. That trivial cost is what we pretend is their value. This pretending lets us waste them. It also lets us pretend that their use is cheaper than renewable sources of energy. Any child could work out that their use is really a thousand times dearer than renewable energy. You know it is a pretend game and that to conserve these resources is the only sensible course. But we are greedy and of recent years, we learned that greed is good!

I like to think that our species will last for thousands or millions of years. They will need everything we are ripping out of the earth, every mineral, every chemical. But we want them all and we want them now. We have no plans to ensure that we recapture everything we use once - for every chemical and mineral will last for millions of years and all need conserving and recycling. We are just beginning to think of recycling - a moment’s thought makes it obvious that everything must be conserved, regardless of cost. But our greed allows us to argue that it is mostly too expensive because it is often cheaper to dig more from the earth. Yet every gram will be required over and over again by our descendants.

We are not sensible livers - we are plunderers. Our economic system has only money as a value measure. It ignores the intrinsic value of these permanent minerals and chemicals. Our only interest is immediate plunder - how much can we rip up, waste and disperse as quickly as we can with as much immediate profit as possible.

The Club of Rome in the 70's wrote about "Limits to Growth". It tried to look ahead, something we should have learned from them - their logic was inescapable. We should have embraced it and made it a central activity for humankind long into the future. They attempted to show how long resources of the earth would last. Technology improved and quickly made their estimates incorrect. The plunderers then made sure that their imaginative attempt at logical thinking and planning ahead was trivialised, denounced and eliminated so completely that one never hears their name today. Yet these were real and imaginative people who tried to look logically at our failure to look ahead and predict sensible consequences. Bright people today could do much better - and those in fifty years hence will be able to do the same job even better still.

Logic suggests to me that we should be grateful for those finding a reason to stop burning and wasting real resources. It suggests to me that the “climate sceptics” are appealing only to our greed and selfishness rather than thinking about the future of our grandchildren. Sadly logic will never overwhelm greed. So please bless the global warmers and the co2 worriers. They have just a chance of moving us to a sustainable lifestyle a hundred years before we would inevitably be forced to. They could make us pay our own way realistically sooner rather than leaving it to our grandhcildren to pay for our greedy profligate living style. Ask again and again, what is the real value of a tonne of coal or oil? Do you really think it is cheaper than renewable energy?

You are right about costs. Changing from coal and oil wasting will be expensive. It will mean thousands of people forced to change jobs. It will take enormous resources to invest in these other forms of energy. Only a fool believes that it won’t be necessary - the only question is when. This moment is history offers us a chance to decide to do it soon. We know it will hurt. We do it now or leave it to our grandchildren. The selfish and greedy ones will leave it to our grandchildren. The proud and independent ones will delight in the challenge.

I suggest that climate sceptics start some real thinking - this time outside the box in which they are locked. Humankind has a real challenge before it and the time is right NOW.

Please feel free to pass this on - it may help others think beyond next the decade.

Cheerily

Glen McBride

Glen you are a fool.

You appear to have missed the point completely. China, India and the rest of the world will continue to burn fossil fuels and create as much CO2 as they feel like REGARDLESS of whether tiny Australia strangles its own economy with an ETS. And no they wont 'follow our lead' because they are not STUPID like you.

There are 3.9 billion people in Asia, all of whom will be happy to take up your children's jobs when the ETS sends them offshore. All of whom will burn as many fossil fuels as they like, regardless of how seriously anyone takes your well-meaning but misguided logic.

Even assuming you are moronic enough to worship at Al Gore's church of fools, you should see the ETS for what it really is - an attempt by Government and International finance to take total control of all industries in this country, strangling them with debilitating taxes for the 'right' to emit harmless gases. This will quickly drive all industries including our crucial agriculture, mineral and manufacturing sectors offshore, pushing Australia into the third world (and yes it does happen - see Zimbabwe). After all, isnt this the ultimate aim of the Green Movement - to force us all back into the stone age?

"An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide". The gun is loaded and Krudd has his finger on the trigger.

I hope Mr. Joyce is not another bob-katter-in-waiting.

Hi Barnaby,

I listened with interest to Alan Jone's interview this morning with Mr Turnbull and I am now convinced that we are doomed to the ETS.

Please have a look at the latest ice-measurement report just released by NASA...The Artic Ice Cap has just been measured again and found to be expanding for the third year straight...What fools we all are who accept the Rudd/Wong ETS Agenda...


Arctic Sea Ice Extent is Third Lowest on Record October 6, 2009

U.S. satellite measurements show Arctic sea ice extent in 2009 " the area of the Arctic Ocean covered by floating ice " was the third lowest since satellite measurements were first made in 1979. The ice area at minimum was an increase from the past two years, but still well below the average for the past 30 years.

Arctic sea ice reached its minimum extent around September 12, as shown in the image and video to the right. According to scientists affiliated with the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), sea ice coverage dropped to 5.10 million square kilometers (1.97 million square miles) at its minimum. The ice cover was 970,000 square kilometers (370,000 square miles) greater than the record low of 2007 and 580,000 square kilometers (220,000 square miles) greater than 2008.

NSIDC is sponsored by several U.S. government agencies, including NASA. Ice data are derived from measurements made by U.S. Department of Defense and NASA satellites, with key work in interpreting the data and developing the 30-year history done by scientists at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

"The changes from year to year are interesting since there has been large variability," said Josefino Comiso, a sea ice expert at NASA Goddard. "But we need to look at several years of data to examine the long-term trends."

God help Australia if the ETS is passed....
Best wishes,
Greg Harrison.

Adding to Greg's quotes and comments... eleven active volcanoes stretching out from the Siberian mainland have been erupting one kilometre below the surface of the Arctic Sea during the paste decade or so. Each of these was comparable with Vesuvius when it buried Pompeii.

Moreover, several great rivers flow into the Arctic, from land masses that were unusually warm over that same period. Considering that the Arctic Sea is largely an enclosed water it is just within the realms of possibility that the above events warmed its surface waters slightly; which are the waters that heat moves to.

But then, so what? Melting oceanic ice does not effect sea levels because it is occupying that mass anyway. Another thing, there have been at least nine recorded periods in the past century when the north west passage was navigated, proving big melts are a regular event. And in 1242 the Chinese Navy found no ice whatsoever. Nor did Eric the Red a century earlier.

Gosh. Were there secret coal-burning factories hidden all around the earth during those periods, and run by extra terrestrials who left carbon footprints and who each farted and burped ten tons of methane per day? Perhaps they were politicians too, hence the contemporary flow of hot air.

Perhaps Barbaby has another explanation.

What I hear people saying is that with this total abandonment of sanity and democracy it is time to toss all these useless self-serving politicians into jail and instead install a caretaker government made up of retired and serving senior public servants who are prepared to implement the will of the Australian people.

I hasten to add that I was shocked to hear this, and disassociate myself entirely from such precipitant thinking, although I can empathise with their frustration.

The whole issue of sinks might actually solve the whole problem.

Notwithstanding that global warming isn't actually happening, and that global warming on the whole (if is was to occur) is likely to make the world wetter, more plant friendly and therefore more productive both in fuel crops and food if we have to have an ETS then it should properly address sinks. If you charge landowners for their Net CO2 emmission then you should also allow a standard sinking rate for pasture (Grass fixes about 15T CO2 per annum per hectare) then you get a result that probably will result in most farmers (And other landholders) being Net CO2 Sinks or at least close to neutral.

So, simply allow a CO2 consumption tax deduction for various sinks, for all landowners (and other sinks such as pyrolysis) with the rider that for "Domestic Sinks" the deduction can't exceed the consumption. Put another way, since I own 3 Ha of land I should get 45 T "personal" CO2 emission for free.

I am really, really annoyed that despite being a Net CO2 sink I am going to have to pay for consumption !.


Remember, however, that Global warming theory at this point "DOES NOT MATCH THE OBSERVATIONS THAT THE WORLD IS NOT IN FACT WARMING" and therefore is probably wrong. Wong is Wrong.

Your points regarding the personal injustice are appreciated, Robert, but strategically, every time someone throws such negotiating points on the table, the greater impression is the validation of the entire CO2 madness. It is best left unsaid. Both the Farmers Federation and Nats are playing this insideous game; and it doesn't help that that worker's traitor Sharon Burrows of ACTU sings the same song.

The is another infinitely more dangerous angle to the entire CO2 debacle and that is the real crisis has been thrust into the background. Recent research shows that oxygen levels are falling to dangerous levels in both the atmosphere and oceans. Only one action can rectify this and that is a dramatic increase in plant life on this planet; which can be enhanced by increased CO2 production.

One wonders if the highly resourced people who are promoting the 'CO2 crisis' are not very well aware of the oxygen issue, but wish to prolong resolution.

This would explain the steadfast continuation of thimersol and squalene use in vaccines, which are proved beyond all doubt to be dangerous to human health, and are linked to greatly increased prevalence of athsma and other respiratory diseases. A fall of 10% in global oxygen would kill all of those people who do not have access to tank oxygen.

Tony,

Don't get me wrong AGW and the ETS is rubbish, buit if we must have one it should at least be fair. The current approach is the usual political drivel, that takes tax, without allowing all the deductions when one puts back. Deductability allows the little people to opt-out of the tax through relatively simple means.

Chris Mc Bride, you make some valid points, but if this is to address resource consumption then they should SAY SO and stop masquerading behind a lie. I support reductions in fossil fuel consumption but not for the purpose of adressing a mythical disaster which is clearly NOT HAPPENING

In the end the government has found a way to tax the air we breathe - the holy grail of tax takes. Im sure Malcolm is patently away that the Libs will inherit that tax at some point.

On another enrgey issue, Ziggy on Nuclear Tech said recently that he didn't think Thorium technology was viable. Given Australia has the largest known deposits of Thorium, wouldn't it be in Australias interest to invest in developing thorium technology to replace current fast-breeder (Uranium based) Nuclear reactors (and in the process make the world a safer place, and generate a new market for thorium and thorium reactors). Now THATS what I call a policy

I have to say I am not so sure on the global warming situation. Having been a hipocritical greeny for awhile now, I understand but don't like when I see a 200 hundred year old tree cut down to make a road wider, forest on the edge of a city replaced with another Edward scissor hands development with big houses that fill the block for a family of 4, cotton farms that go as far as the eye can see without a living thing on it except for the cotton that is needed for the next fashion trend that ends up in the op shop or land fill, 'food' farm land being handed over to mining to make the toys that keep us 'happy' (but not really). I understand why these things are happening, people need to make money, live somewhere, have a job etc. But if we don't start thinking about how we grow, make, find things that a modern happy person requires in life, we will be in trouble. Australia is lucky at the moment, we have plenty of room and a population count per km which is amazing, you only have to travell to other countries in the owrld to see what overpopulation can do to an environment and the spirit of people in that environment. With the population expodentially growing in the world I am happy that 'greener' issues are being discussed. Whether you believe in global warming or not you can't disagree with the facts of, the earth is not bottomless pitt, we need to look after it, and a shift in thinking of the government, corporations and the main players 'us'. I'm not so sure on the ETS and if it will make a difference or not, I think a softly softly approach to this is needed. As other commentors on this story have mentioned,
I think our indiviual homes is where the government incentives should be placed, all that roof space in Australia could be collecting water and electricity, most of all those houses could be self sustaining in regards to those 2 important parts of or lives. Good luck to the polies, some very important decisions to be made, and I hope money is not the main decider in the end. My 2 cents worth.

There's no doubting that your concerns are genuine, and that better home designs would make less environmental impact;but you and I have no real control over that.

Big corporations bend government departments and councils towards regulations that enhance their profit; they own the factories and bulkloader ships that pollute the land, rivers and oceans. They are the giant chemical and pharmaceutical corporations that pollute our biosystems and even our food.

At no point have The People been consulted.

A couple of decades ago I did a small survey to gauge ordinary people's attitudes to biosystem-preservation and the overwhelming response favoured the environment; at whatever cost.

Our key problem is we have no control over what happens because in the past three decades politicians have ceased consulting their electorate for direction. Foolishly, we abandoned democracy in favour of electing politicians to do our thinking for us. They in turn, discovered that those same polluting corporations and their bankers would finance their election campaigns, in return, of course, for bending things a little their way.

My most recent survey shows that around 90% of government policy is opposed by 80% of the national electorate. There is your problem, Anthony. There is our problem.

However, hundreds of thousands of Aussies have had enough and are working together to correct this. You can find out more at http://www.oziz4oziz.com/

But if you expect these paid-for politicians to do anything constructive, you become complicit in their betrayal of truth, the people, and even, it seems, of life itself.

Lord Monckton issues a serious warming Re Copenhagen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5kJ5bt5-wI

Senator Joyce
Your call for a national debate on climate change is timely. Will you air all points of view presented to you? If you will you are the best person to lead it.
Please announce your intention to listen to all points of view.
At the moment only two streams of opinion are allowed to exist.
Those who are sure that carbon di oxide is a poison(?) or those who say that the whole argument is unnecessary and want to get on with business as usual.
Both of these are in my opinion deluded.
best wishes
REJ

gday whots the go with the viking its still anchored off indonsia costing us tax payers AGAIN whot a waste if there not going to get them off why dont thay go to the detension centres in indonsia and get as many sri lankins as thay can fit on the viking and take them back to there home land thay cant be refused there thats where thay are from wile ever its anchored its costs us.kevin crud has to has to tuffin up our border protection who knows witch one of them could be a terrist if there is we dont want them here if there is an attack i hope its on kevins watch howard love him or loath him john had excelent border proection and took it serious.i hope australia wakes up to this circus called labour and vote labour out.i vote liberal national no labour.thank you

Latest from Europe:is this a mess, or what?
A vast supply of pollution credits from abroad is threatening to overwhelm systems for capping and trading greenhouse gases, a senior European Union official warned on Tuesday.
Critics have dubbed these pollution credits “hot air” because many were generated by favorable accounting rules, rather than by measures and activities representing new emissions reductions.
The problem is like a “gorilla sitting in the background and nobody dares to touch it,” said Peter Zapfel, the deputy director general of the environment department at the European Commission.
“But it’s there and it’s alive and it’s real,” he said during a seminar on carbon trading at the Center for European Policy Studies, a Brussels think tank.
The main concern surrounds large numbers of carbon credits from Russia and Ukraine, which were earned under the Kyoto Protocol. Those countries’ easily met Kyoto emissions reduction goals — and therefore found themselves with a windfall of credits to sell — when productivity collapsed with the disintegration of the Soviet Union 1990s.
But some newer members of the E.U. — principally Central and Eastern European countries — also hold significant numbers of “hot air” credits, complicating efforts by the Europeans to reach a common position that would restrict the use of the credits under a new climate accord to be discussed in Copenhagen in December.
The availability of so many “hot air” credits could dramatically depress the price that companies pay for emitting greenhouse gases, making it easy for them to meet their targets, and reducing their incentives to adopt more efficient practices and low carbon technology.
There are about 10 billion excess credits that could be cashed-in, or about five-times the amount of credits in the European market, said Mr. Zapfel. The release of such a large surplus could “fundamentally affect the environmental integrity of what we agree to at Copenhagen,” he said.

no ets lets close our coal mines and collumbia will power on rubbing there hands together thanks cruddy dont get it wrong wong !

I think that distorted gong we can hear in the distance is the death knell of ETS.

Some politicians with their ears to the ground are already positioning themselves for 'heroic and valiant stands in the interests of Australian economic integrity'... meaning they can see the suddenly leaking ETS ship needs to be scuttled.

Today, in that political black hole known as the Sunshine Coast, Federal Liberal politician Peter Slipper has rejected ETS in its entirety, preceded by one day by Cory, a Lib from South Australia. A NSW polly did the same one week ago.

Kruddy has lost the initiative and we are now witnessing the first crack in the ALP foundation of power. We will know when Rudd can see the writing on the wall... he will lay it all on Penny Wong, and she will burn as the sacrificial calf. The ALP is nothing if not ruthless.

In one week the TRB commences its three yearly survey of the Australian electorate, and then we will know what the average Aussie is thinking. I am guessing at least 60% say ETS is bullshit.

Barnaby, by ignoring his own site, and by not considering freely proffered advice to reject ETS entirely, has well and truly missed the boat. Saturday, we become buddies with ETS rejecter Liberal Peter Slipper.

LUV UR WORK SENATOR BARNABY!!! YOU HAVE BECOME A HOUSEHOLD NAME EVEN HERE IN THE CITY....WE REALISE THE IMPORTANCE TO US OF OUR FRIENDS "ACROSS THE GREAT DIVIDE". THAT IS, OUR "PRIMARY PRODUCERS"..THANKS TO THEM FOR OUR DAILY PRODUCE...THE E.T.S. IS A CRUEL JOKE! OUR FARMERS ARE STRESSED ENOUGH WITHOUT THIS VOLLY FROM "RUDD AND CO."THE CITY FOLK WILL STAND ALONGSIDE OUR FARMERS TO PREVENT ANY FURTHER "FAUX TAXES" BEING FOISTED UPON THEM....AND OF COURSE THE FLOW-ON TO US.SUGGESTION....VOLLY BACK TO RUDDY, "IF YOU WANT THIS E.T.S.,ABOLISH THE G.S.T.!!!!! YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH!!!"RUDDY IS AKIN TO THE "SHERIFF OF NOTTINGHAM....CRUEL, CRUEL MAN...REGARDS, JEANIE O'KANE, GOLD COAST.

Mr Joyce
I am horrified that Kevin Rudd is planning to sign that bill in the UN, which in effect hands over at least $7 Billion a year of Australian tax payers money to this UN orginisation, without a proper and orginized debate in the senate
This is unacceptable because it not only means the handing over of cash to those corrupt beaurocrates, but also gives unlimited powers to an UNELECTED global authority, that can effectively strip us of our sovereignty
Mr Turnbull is clearly incapable of challenging the current government over this , and in mine and other voters minds he is just a yes man for Rudds made ETS scheme
If Rudd is allowed to sign this treaty is will be a dark chapter in this great countries history
Mr Joyce i , along with others, implore you and other like minded politicians to stand up, be counted , and demand Rudd allow proper debate over this issue
Other wise Paul Keatings statement that we are a Banana Republic will become oh so true

C'mon Joyce. Now it's Liberals with the guts to stand up and say NO ETS!

There can be no negotiation over lost sovereignty and mandatory taxes to an unelected global bureaucracy. The answer is No No No.

I can see that the rest of we Australians are going to have to shove our spineless politicians aside and throw Rudd into prison for treason. Already there are plans to distribute a nationwide Declaration of No Confidence in the Rudd Government; but we are not about to then hand power over to the equally gutless Coalition.

Enough's enough. In a proper democracy our representatives are meant to implement the will of the people. According to most respected constitutional analyst, Arthur A Chresby, (Your Will Be Done, 1979) this function cannot be circumvented. Yet both parties have ignored the people for some three decades.

It's time for the Australian people to reassert themselves, and I know some senior Federal public servants who will be willing to form an Australian Caretaker Government. A lot more will join them.

No more electing crooked politicians to do our thinking for us.

Too late, Barnaby.

Alan Jones has beaten you to it. He has absolutely condemned and rejected the ETS and made a historical stand and accused Rudd of betraying Australia's prosperity and future. Rudd is now guilty of treason in every loyal Australian's eyes. He is finished.

The only politicians who will come out of this unscalped will be the three Libs who also unconditionally condemned ETS. You stand on record as prevaricating and refusing to make this stand; so your career is over too.

Hi Barnaby

I have to congratulate you on the interview with Alan Jones on Thursday.

So far you are the only politician to explain in plain English the severe ramifications to the Australian economy should we sign up to an ETS and also, your comments that an election should be fought on this one issue.

In your words to Alan "Bring It On"

However, in my opinion, there are two issues that stand in the way of an election being won by taking Kevin Rudd head-on, on this one issue.

1. Malcolm Turnbull appears to be a "Me To" leader and at this stage doesn't have the will or backbone to take on Kevin Rudd.

2. Kevin Rudd has been very clever in appealing to the 18 to 28 demographic and at this stage I think that a large majority still believe that ETS is the way to go if we want to save the world from destruction.

I am a Liberal voter, but would not be prepared to vote for Malcolm Turnbull at the next Federal Election if he continues down the the current path he is taking.

I listened with interest to Malcolm being interviewed by Alan Jones last week and I have to say that I was very disappointed in his lack of real leadership.

I don't think he fully understands that a large percentage of Liberal voters, including myself believes that ETS is the biggest con of the 21st century and an expensive one at that.

However, being very cynical, the US, UK, Europe and Australia may be using the ETS issue as a way of taxing us to pay off the massive government debt caused by the various stimulas packages.

Yes !! fight a Federal Election on ETS, but be 100% sure that the Australian voters fully understand what's in store for them if we go down the Kevin Rudd path.

Gary Strang.

Where is the rage from our politicians in the parliament over Kevin Rudd's silent and arcane handling of the draft Treaty for signing in the coming Copenhagen meeting next month?
As the PM,surely he has an obligation to us as the most powerful figure of the nation, to reveal what he considers are the pros and cons of that treaty.By not doing so,and after numerous discussions at international meetings of other world leaders who may potentially sign it,smacks of arrogance, self-righteousness and a superiority which starts to cause me more than a little concern.He seems to believe that he is the panacea for all the nations ills---a dangerous self-belief.
Of course,his usual tactics of changing the issues when he finds himself in difficulties has become a hallmark of his politics.
But where are the opposing views?--and where is the passion and rage from our elected representatives?Some of his own people question his ideas,but they are either stifled or too fearful to reveal themselves.

Keep up the good work Barnaby it is good to see someone with brains in Parliament. If the ETS is passed and Mr Rudd goes off to Copenhagen to boast and sign us up to the treaty all I can say is BANG goes our Sovereignity and we will be run by someone else maybe thats Kevin 47's aim to run the world he spends enough time flying around it.
He should be staying home and looking after the best interests of Australia.

WELL DONE!! Someone needs to be representing Aussie farmers - what is completely beyond me is why people INSIST on planting TREES to offset carbon when it is a known and proven fact that GRASS does a much better job of this. And trees and grass can not grow together due to well i'm not getting into the biology of it. The big money players pulled themselves out of the great depression with a war against another country, and this lot are trying to get rich by bankrupting farmers.
It is beyond disgusting!

Its about time someone went to bat and started fighting FOR the same thing as farmers!!! WELL DONE KEEP IT UP!!!

Jan and Patricia

Perhaps you would be so good as to show me where Joyce rejected AGW and CO2 trading. I have not seen him do either. All he has said is he will demand concessions for farmers. What about the rest of Australia? He was not elected by farmers but by his electorate, whom he must represent.

The only federal politicians who have made a direct stand are Steve Fielding and Cory Bernadi. Thank them, not two-bob-each-way Barnaby.

In case you have been locked in the loo for several days, the world's top climate scientist, Richard Lindzen. has categorically rejected AGW and any significance of CO2 to climate change.

Alan Jones and Lord Monckton have declared war on the alarmists and AGW.

To my knowledge, and I have asked him repeatedly for three weeks, Joyce has equivicated on the whole issue.

So Barnaby has been castigated by the Head Master, prissily, through pursed lips.
Badge of honour, Barnaby, keep it up!

One of us is missing something, Ian.

Just tell me where and when Barnaby has categorically rejected AGW and ETS.

This site is beginning to look like a Joyce cheer squad:

"I shall look very strongly into ETS"...Yea Barnaby!

"The ALP shall quake at my stern look"... Yea Barnaby!

"My bum is itchy"... Yea Barnaby!

The fact that the proponents of this man made global warming theory now term it Climate Change instead of Global Warming is understandable due to the Earth's COOLING.
The following story is very enlightening regarding so called man made climate change. “http://www.worldclimatereport.com /index.php/2009/10/06/antarctic-ice-melt-at-lowest-levels-in-satellite-era/ “
Where are the headlines? Where are the press releases? Where is all the attention? The ice melt across during the Antarctic summer (October-January) of 2008-2009 was the LOWEST ever recorded in the satellite history.
So much for global warming.
Seems like very selective reporting by the media in the global brain washing campaign.
Only ONE SIDE is ever presented and NO TRUE DEBATE has ever been entered into.
Any dissenting view is ridiculed - this attitude is insulting to people's intelligence to say the least.
Have a listen to this interview with a highly qualified scientist who prepared some of the IPCC papers.
“http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/michael-smith-blog/deconstructing-global-warming/20091104-hxsw.html”
Read the facts presented in the "The-madness-of-ETS.pps" document available online and the list of over 30,000 highly qualified scientists worldwide on this ( http://www.petitionproject.org/) web site.
It is interesting that Al Gore is not a scientist and stands to earn BILLIONS OF DOLLARS from the companies he has established to trade in carbon!
Why won't Mr. Gore take up the challenge and debate the issue?
http://www.globalwarmingheartland.com/expert.cfm?expertId=349
“http://www.forecastingprinciples.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=78&Itemid=130#Benchmark_paper”
What is he afraid of?
Why is his word taken as gospel?
Why does he reside in an enormous mansion in the US which consumes HUGE amounts of electricity? If he is genuine I hope that it is all derived from alternative power sources.
What about the pollution he causes by jetting around the world on aeroplanes promoting his agenda? All that jet fuel.
How much do world governments stand to make from this additional tax on humans? What a great source of revenue to repay the debt from the global financial crisis.
Also Mr Garnaut is an economist not a scientist.
The government will decimate Australia's economy with the stuff that Mr Rudd & Ms Wong are pushing on the public and media.
It's about the money.
Over 7 BILLION DOLLARS of Taxpayers money per year will be given away per year if the COPENHAGEN TREATY is signed by Mr Rudd.
What about Australian Hospitals, Roads, Social Services etc.
Have a look at the draft COPENHAGEN treaty that I emailed you.
Did you read the draft I sent you?
The Earth's climate has always changed since creation and will continue to do so regardless of how much citizens are taxed back into the STONE AGE.
We are expected to be convinced of man made global warming from people who can't even accurately predict the weather for the next day.
Lord Christopher Monckton successfully prevented Gore's film from screening in Britain. The legal system was obviously not convinced by the global warming movie which contained over NINE GLARING ERRORS.
“http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23416151-details/Judge+attacks+nine+errors+in+Al+Gore%27s+%27alarmist%27+climate+change+film/article.do”
Unless citizens are able to pressure their governments to not sign the agreement at the December 2009 summit, UNELECTED WORLD GOVERNMENT and large transfers of wealth from developed countries to undeveloped ones will result!
Effectively this carbon trading will result in a WORLD TAXATION SYSTEM, an essential element for a WORLD GOVERNMENT!
This seems to be the upshot of it all. First create a mythical problem, Second brain wash the public and engender a feeling of guilt about it, Third tell them that to ease their guilty conscience they need to pay more tax.
Why has this "WATER VAPOUR POSITIVE FEEDBACK" TRICK been used to MANIPULATE the climate models the IPCC use such that they show an increase in global temperature with increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide when NASA experimental evidence proves this is not true?
“http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2009/10/climate-modelling-nonsense”
What about the comments made here:-“http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/flannerys_hope_a_global_treaty_to_influence_your_every_move/ “
Which phrases from the quoted documents are untrue???
It seems to be about control also.
Why is the CSIRO attempting to gag one of its highly qualified scientists because he has alternative evidence from what the government wishes the public to believe?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/csiro-bid-to-gag-emissions-trading-scheme-policy-attack/story-e6frg8gf-1225793355139
Scientists who do not want to agree with this man made global warming theory have their government funding cut.
This to me is very suspicious. Science has a right to be UNBIASED and their conclusions should not be influenced by government policy. This is an influence of a vested interest!
It is about FACTS not BELIEF.
It is not a new religion that one believes or does not believe in.
Why hasn’t the Australian Government been transparent, honest and informative to the electorate about the cost to our society of both the proposed ETS and the implications for Australian Sovereignty in signing the COPENHAGEN TREATY in December? We should be concerned about what is NOT BEING TOLD TO US.

Many diggers fought and died over the years to preserve Australia’s Sovereignty, yet here we are poised to sign some of it away with the stroke of a pen!

Z77CWDAt last a voice of reason. I don't believe in climate change as a phenomenon, climate is cyclical, always has been, always will be. I believe that any rise in temprature is due to sun spot activity and any rise in tempratue results in a rise in carbon in the atmophere, not the other way round. On further study of the subject, I discovered the main natural absorbent of carbon is water, and the last time I looked the earth was 70% water. I agree with you that this whole cabon emissions trading scheme is a ploy to make money for nothing by governments and has been foisted on the peoples of the world by a long and consisten campaign by those who will profit most. I wish you well with your political career and wish we had someone like you in the WA parliament system. Barnaby for Prime Minister please.
P.S. I am sure you are aware of the Bilderberg group, but if you are not, please google them.

Z77CWDAt last a voice of reason. I don't believe in climate change as a phenomenon, climate is cyclical, always has been, always will be. I believe that any rise in temprature is due to sun spot activity and any rise in tempratue results in a rise in carbon in the atmophere, not the other way round. On further study of the subject, I discovered the main natural absorbent of carbon is water, and the last time I looked the earth was 70% water. I agree with you that this whole cabon emissions trading scheme is a ploy to make money for nothing by governments and has been foisted on the peoples of the world by a long and consisten campaign by those who will profit most. I wish you well with your political career and wish we had someone like you in the WA parliament system. Barnaby for Prime Minister please.
P.S. I am sure you are aware of the Bilderberg group, but if you are not, please google them.

Kaye

Greg is the voice of reason (above); not Barnaby Joyce. Your statements are undoubtedly correct, but Joyce has never echoed them.

Joyce has not taken a position on AGW, so why do you want him to be PM?

As Joyce has never monitored this site I'm beginning to realise this is a propaganda technique... readers get e-mails and think Joyce has made the statements they read. Cute trick.

thank you for your response Tony, while I stand corrected and concur absolutely with Greg, I did hear Barnaby Joyce on ABC TV on Saturday last, and I heard him speak. It was this interview that impressed me, while he was being "politically correct", he did say he was against any new taxes that arise from so called carbon trading - cap and trade.
If you heard or saw the interview, maybe you could comment on wheater or not I misunderstood his stance.

Good grief, Glen Mcbride you are as verbose as you are stupid. That is all you deserve you frigtnened little goose. The climate will always change you fool Just pull up your panties and take a deep breath, girls blouse.
danny

It is heartening to see that a people's elected representative does exacty that: represents the interests of those who have elected him/her. if anybody doubts that ETS is nothing more but another broadbase tax, here is proof that cannot be challenged, regardless how hard one might try:
At the “Informal Meeting of European Finance Ministers" that was held in Goteborg - Sweden on 1-2 October 2009, Swedish Finance Minister Anders Borg, whose country currently holds the EU presidency, urged other European nations to follow Sweden’s lead in linking new taxes to greenhouse gas emissions, as European governments seek additional sources of income in the wake of the financial crisis. He went on to say that the carbon tax "...has been a very good source of revenue since it was introduced at the start of the 1990s".
As well, more importantly, in-spite of European countries having had this form of ETS since the 1990s, ALL the scientists (regardless of wherther or not they believe in "global warming" will tell you that CO2 emission in the Northern Hemisphere has been much greater that in the Southern Hemisphere, where ETS has not been implemented. I NOW CHALLENGE ANYBODY TO PRODUCE A SUBSTANTIATED ARGUMENT TO THIS STATEMENT OF FACTS.
Therefore, Barnaby is totally right to oppose a measure that, apart from raising an additional tax on everything and ruining everything that has made australia "the lucky country" (agriculture, mining, and manufacture) would do absolutely nothing to reduce global warming.

Barnaby,
When the history is written you along with Cory Bernardi and Professor Ian Plimer will be given a proud place
If Rudd is allowed to get away with his ETS it will be equivalent to national hara kiri.
When you next debate in the Senate ask Senator Won why the polar ice caps on Mars ax and wain. Is it due to CO2 emissions by the Martians or could it be solar activity or geological factors ?
Good Luck

In fact, Barnaby is so blatantly right about the ETS legislation, that the PM's impecably controlled propaganda machine has already started a relentless campaign aimed at discrediting him.

none of us or our grandchildren will be around to suffer the socalled consequences, but we are going to pay dearly in the next few years. None of these scientists can be 100% sure that they are right in any case. They are consumed by their own arrogance. Nothing will change in Australia until the people march peacefully in the streets.

If the public doesn't believe we should have it, isn't that good reason not to implement ETS. We may be actually smater than the 'penny wongs 'of this world think we are.

Yes, I listened too, Kaye.

And to Lindzen, Plimer, Monkton, Bernardi, Hassell, Archibald, Carter, Bellamy, Ashby, and Corben. All of these categorically denied CO2 as a toxic substance and relegated it as plant food, and much needed.

All condemned AGW as a hoax, and all condemned ETS as a globalist trick to ram a one world government down the world's throat, and to tax actual living.

I have not heard Barnaby Joyce or any other Nationals politician make any of these statements. They always imply this is their attitude.

I accuse Joyce of misleading millions of Australians, and pretending to make a stand when in fact he is not, and has not. In fact, this has been the way he has behaved over almost every issue. All talk and no action.

I will take this back unreservedly if Barnaby Joyce says the actual words.

Bigger government and wider social spending will only transfer Australia's wealth out of the private sector into the public sector, and won't help change the climate or reduce global warming. There has to be a better way of controlling pollution and protecting our environment than just introducing a new tax system that will penalize everything and every one who is, or are, productive in Australia.

The implications of an ETS (tax) is mind boggling to say the least. And, on top of that there is the intended transfer of billions to the United Nations from our country's public purse to further expand social spending on poorer nations by an unelected world body.

Our elected representatives who believe in this science have a duty of care to their voters. Government should not be fear mongering or hindering entrepeneurialism, but encouraging our citizens to think beyond the hysteria. Australia is a nation of thinkers, always has been and that is why we are so economically viable. We have to remain that way to solve any environmental problems, but bigger government, and bigger taxes won't do it imo.

We can all 'waffle on' about this, but I think Simon Larrescy covered it all with his comment on 2nd October.

Barnaby,
I have watched and listened to you over the years. If only you were in my electorate! You would have my vote every time.
I would think your seat is impregnable.
More power to you...strength, health and courage.
It seems to me from my conversations with friends etc that they all know of you and support you.
The Aussies are listening... Just that a lot of your fellow MPs are... deaf?

Oliver Cromwell's Speech on the Dissolution of the Long Parliament

Given to the House of Commons

20 April 1653

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone!

So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!



Message from humble citizen of the informed minority to Parliament. 10 Nov 2009

Our Parliament is a babble of many treacherous clowns eager to betray our nation and surrender allegiance to a New World Order – A governance of oppression and corruption.

Fools of moral depravity, many of you have no moral standards and preach the deception of moral ‘equality’ seeking to obliterate all standards of morality.

In your spiritual blindness most of you cannot distinguish between deceit and truth and are easily deceived by the corrupt and power lustful deceivers of this world.

Many embrace the treacherous deceit and folly of “Climate Change” that seeks to drag all nations into the quagmire of destruction.

Most of you embrace and protect those who seek to serve Satan by committing acts of terror and plot to destroy the righteous Kingdom of the God. A Kingdom that challenges us to hate evil and expose it. A kingdom that seeks the truth and asks us to reach out with faith, hope and love in sacrificial service to all humankind.

For the sake of our humanity and in the name of the TRUE GOD – repent and seek eternal wisdom and truth or be condemned to eternal damnation.

Thanks Barnaby for having the courage to stand up against those who have been deceived by our enemies.

Please let people know when they have successfully signed the Petition.

In trying to sign the Petition, I was given no automatic acknowledgment that my name had been added. So I put in the new security code and still got no ack. So, rather than press enter a third time, I must presume that my name has been added but the website designer has not set it up to let the person know that they have been successful. I could find no email contact on the site for Barnaby or the website designer, so am using this avenue.

Barnaby is right on this issue and the boat people. Keep up the good work. There is an almost free field to stand out on dozens of key issues if one hasn't sold their vote and voice to party controllers.

Listen to Lord Monckton (www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40) speaking in the USA and being interviewed by Alan Jones (//2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=4998) to get an idea of the Copenhagen threat to national sovereignty. Opinion has become to polarised on global warming (now a religion). Even if Monckton is over the top, Kevin Rudd is either naive or conniving with the UN plot for Copenhagen. He may become a more dangerous PM to Australia's well-being than Whitlam was with his extreme inflation. Climate change is unavoidable (just ask any geologist), and emissions trading is the wrong scheme to handle it. Buy the way, scientific "proof" is waning with new research (eg. Prof. Richard Lind, MIT).

The communists call this a rant, we call it horse sense.
MY letter to a socialist.


Dear Sir,
I read your column in the Newcastle herald on Monday morning though well written I do take exceptions to some assumptions you make, can I take a moment of your time to state my case.
As a coon I can assure you that climates do change.
Mother Nature the orchestrator of all does not make mistakes and in fact insists that climates do change for her greater good of renewal and rebirthing.

When you speak of unsustainable levels of carbon and linking that in part with Newcastle coal you assume that either climate should not change and always stay the same; or if they do change the only good change would be if the temperatures in fact dropped well that might happen.

Witness the great volcano that was the mother of Yellowstone Park. That volcano must have been a doozy, how much carbon did that kick out! That hole is 40 miles across.
I have been there and studied the geography there is major carbon emissions there. I was drilling thermals hot springs in NZ there is many holes over the entire island that cough out gas continually and have always done.
I can assure you that at different periods the atmosphere has contained much more carbon than is there at present. In natures eyes there is no correct amount of carbon she likes a little more here and sometimes a little less.

Newcastle does not vomit gas it provides electricity for us all, warming and products for the world and an awe inspiring electricity industry in China that is building many power stations every month.

I worked in the powerhouses for many years and I can assure you that much energy is required to turn a 500 megawatt turbine. So much energy that two 3’wide conveyors were needed to feed just four of those continuously.
I agree that we should clean the joint up so let’s consider what would be required to turn these monster turbines both here and in the Far East.

Well then I know that wind will not be able do it, we don’t have any high water for hydro electric (do not be fooled by our snowy that is a hoax, the water there is run down to the turbines during the day then good old coal fired power pumps it back up the hill in the night) therefore it is only half clean.

There is no other source that can do it. Now lets get real we do have a shitpot of uranium; well all the girls scream out “no bomb! This shows a lack of education.”
No sir it is cheap safe and non polluting in its usage and can power these great turbines with ease but uneducated folk panic and think we are as silly as the Russians and gunna blow them all up or poison them.

Well we are not! We run the powerhouses in the 70s 80s and 90s and we Australians can run these nuclear plants with increased safety for all and they will emit nothing.

So why is this opposed, well I can tell you it is cringing uneducated fear or it may be in fact the fearful of us who scream stop the world its going too fast.
You see there are many amongst us that go quietly about their work and pick up all the scraps of information and form very real opinions based on experience.

Witness the great howls when Mr. Howard called for nuclear power when he was stating the obvious. This is a much cleaner alternative and would not throw hundreds of thousands of Australians on the scrap heap.

I as an aboriginal kid who lived in the bush hunted and gathered food to supplement what we had at home, with a half blood cousin who could track animals as soon as he could walk I believe my credentials here far surpass any book learnt knowledge; my knowledge comes from being nature, living nature and marveling nature.

I learnt at a very early age that Mother Nature is never wrong she is all seeing all knowing and gentle to those who understand her and don’t fear her.
Changing climate is part of Mother Nature’s cycle and it can not be associated with man on this scale. Climate has always changed and at Mother Nature will to always provide us with fluctuating seasons within her climate. To argue that climates shouldn’t change is to slap the face of Mother Nature herself.
So I take exception to your assumption that climates should not fluctuate or temps rise or change if that’s what you were getting at.

Yes just as your wife’s mood your bank account your health your kids behavior your work the weather temperatures, seasons, fish populations yes everything under gods eyes fluctuates as they must.

With the climate you make the assumption that Mother Nature does not either want this to be or is being overruled by dirty mans emissions some from Newcastle.
In fact this so called life threatening climate change that you blokes talk about is false.
As a coon I can tell you Mother Nature is at the heart of it all. This is what her nature is; to change, growing, shrinking, adapting and loving us her friends in an ever changing environment and climate.

It can be quickly established by observation that climate change is not linked to mans emissions into atmosphere and many people are starting to wake up to the logic. Temperature changes in the last period of the earth where emissions have gone through the roof have actually fallen. The graph that Gore runs around the world is a hoax; this indicates in truth that when temperature rises carbon follows it behind on the graph. He does not consider this as he is locked in and is muddled.
There is no way that thinking people can continue to be fooled by this insanity forever.
Mother Nature herself can in one fell swoop (as she has done so many times before) flood the atmosphere with more carbon than man can imagine.

One earth burp, volcano or major bushfire and bingo 100 years of carbon in a few days, then at natures will and in her own time, grow trees critters and beasts till all this spillage is back to normal. This cycle will repeat itself again and again add nauseam; this is nature at its best we have nothing to fear!

The carbon that mans industries emit are insignificant against a large volcano bushfire or earth burp.

If every person on earth stood shoulder to shoulder they would cover an area roughly the size of Bali. Go to your world globe and have a look, see if you can see it.

You see sir logic beats all; when everything is put back into logic with no fear nor panic or emotion; clear cool thought sees thru it all.
When you speak of unsustainable levels of carbon; and link that in part with Newcastle coal you assume that either climate should not change and always be the same; or if they do change the only good change would be if the temperatures in fact dropped
I can assure you that at different periods the atmosphere has contained much more carbon than is there at present. In natures eyes there is no correct amount of carbon she likes a little more here and sometimes a little less. Does that sound Female?
Newcastle does not vomit gas it provides electricity for us all, warming and products for the world; and an awe inspiring electricity industry in China that is building many power stations every month.
I worked in the NSW powerhouses for many years and I can assure you that much energy is required to turn a 500 megawatt turbine. So much energy that two 3’wide conveyors were needed to feed just four of those continuously.
I agree that we should clean the joint up so lets consider what would be required to turn these monster turbines both here and in the far east.

Well then I know that wind will not be able do it, we don’t have any high water for hydro electric(do not be fooled by our snowy that is a ruse, the water there is run down the turbines during the day then good old coal fired power pumps it back up the hill during the night) so that’s only half clean.Our baby thermal electricity drilling Ive been in it and it is far from being there; it will take many years to work it out.
I can make a wind generator in my back yard for $400 that will power my joint but not an industry.

Is there a source that can do it?.
Let’s get real; we do have a shitpot of uranium well all the girls’ blouses scream out
“No not a bomb!”
No sir it is cheap safe and non polluting in its usage and can power these great turbines with ease but uneducated folk panic and think we are as silly as the Russians.

Well we are not! We run the powerhouses in the 70s 80s and 90s and we Australians can run these nuclear plants with increased safety for all and they will emit nothing.
So why is this opposed, well I can tell you it is either cringing uneducated fear or it may be in fact the fearful of us who scream stop the world its going too fast.
I am not aware of any powerful facts that can convince me otherwise. I am though open to any facts if they are indeed truth but I don’t hear any. In fact what I hear is blind panic similar to the y2k bug and the nuclear threat of my childhood.
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Any evidence that sea levels have risen has not evidenced itself to me. I have fished the same bank on the same creek for over 50 years and my observations here reveals not one centimeter in change in water levels.
We poor bastards that used water levels on building sites in the 70s know that water levels can not in fact be higher in Pacific islands and not down here, excepting storm surge. So we are being lied to here again!
You see all us blokes think nature we are nature and can’t be fooled by one persons fear; we have no fear of nature she loves us and is never wrong.
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Mans role here is all about house keeping and there would not be many people of this earth that would not like a cleaner environment; therefore would naturally be in favor of any attempt to clean up the joint.
So lets all agree to do that; this is a much higher goal than pay a tax that will cripple our country. This new ETS is nothing but a left wing re election tax to pay off the incredible waste of our money that is going on right now. We want nothing of it; we want to clean the joint up. Start with the waterways.

So that is why I take exception to your links between and Newcastle coal and climate change.
Fossil fuels and Mother Nature are close mates burn a little here grow a little there with the plant food emitted by burning fossil fuel. Returned to where she comes from. The earth the atmosphere time memorial. In fact carbon in the atmosphere is all natural and Mother Nature will drive that
Therefore Mother Nature welcomes all carbon; turns this into timber, grasses and feed for her animals that then excrete it out to grow more carbon.

Mother Nature controls all; the volcanoes the thermal springs the bushfires and does a magnificent job of all of it.
Mother Nature loves man as she has man do some of her work as she does the bees. One of my jobs as a kid was to burn the bush to bring it back to life and provide proper nourishment for plant and animals.

You could consider the Tasmanian tigers the koalas and some other species in the bush that are dying because of horrendous cancers on their faces. This is no mistake of nature this is caused be bumble headed greens and so forth who oppose any burning of the bush, who in actual fact have no natural knowledge of how the system works.
These animals require regular burning and housekeeping of their larder.
If as in natures way that same habitat was regularly burnt the diversity of food would then be present to prevent the spread of these strange diseases as was nature’s plans until we started to think we knew better than her (mother nature).

Mother nature also has a destructive side to balance her loving generous side, she wants lightning strikes wild fires and howling damaging storms to clear and remove the so called sick and injured the dead wood and restore diversification there fore balance. This needs to be understood to have a basic understanding of nature.
Witness when a big bushfire used to come through our valley we kids would go to the highest track in the valley for a killing spree of snakes for food. How natural is that and in the process the sick and injured animals would be too slow and die in the ensuing blaze, nothing wrong with this its only natural housekeeping complete and larder restocked.

This was well documented in the US at Yellowstone Park many years back, after a wild fire supposedly wrecked Yellowstone when in fact it actually re diversified the forests that had not been allowed to burn thereby reinvigorating the area henceforth to thrive.
I even saw bison and bears that had left the mono culture and had come rushing back when the fires cleaned up. It is not disastrous to burn the bush it is nature at its best.

You make the statement unsustainable levels of carbon I wonder on what information and from what source this came from. You foresee the end of the coal industry. You speak of the gentrification of Newcastle from its cringing past. Here again I take exception.

No one I know will go near the joint after 4pm in the day for fear of rape violence glassing and other gutter swill acts, it is in fact a mini Chicago. Completely out of control and a laughing stock to those of us who know better.
We feel ashamed that the same people vote the same mob in year in year out and don’t know any better. So you can get my idea.
I also knew the old Newcastle it may not have suited your type but for me and my friends it was a place of beauty industry interest and safety.
People were safe in the streets men had jobs they were not professional Govt layabouts. There was no violence no graffiti you could ride the trains.
xI wonder whether you have been there after 1am lately.
Would you let your 17yearold daughter walk the streets? If you answer in the affirmative on the last I would be most disappointed with a professor that should be a shining light to all of us so called uneducated.

Should you not go out into the bush spend a couple of years living in a rainforest and drinking creek water picking berries and mushrooms make your bed in the leaves at night staring at the beauty trying to work through it all then make analysis on all this when and only when you can be at one with nature.
We folk know that book read knowledge is not as strong as hard won life knowledge.

No sir I believe that the so called Eco challenge is ill directed based on failed logic and in extreme will murder our economy on the sacrificial altar of pomposity panic and muddled thought. This is a view that is approaching critical mass that knows it is a con.

I urge you sir forget what you learnt in Uni go out into the world and re examine your views in the light of nature.
No sir I am educated, in the school of the bush world when you become part of nature it makes your mind open to all and we can’t be conned nor bullied and the cat is getting outa the bag on this climate baloney.

Thanks
Yours sincerely.
Danny

Hello, Senator Joyce,

The proposed legislation is an affront to Australian voters who would be giving away their constitutional rights to an unelected body of strangers who cannot understand Australia and the importance of ourselves choosing our legislators, and not have them appouinted by an unseen bureaucracy. The pretence of mere people causing climate change is like Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty saying: "When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean - nothing more or less." Believing because one wishes it to be true is not science, neither is consensus.

Cheers for you,
Walter.

I believe the World Government is a Fascist Society run by greedy power hungry men and women who are bent on enslaving the world through poverty. Mr Rudd and Mr Turnbull want to be a part of the chosen few, and are willing to destroy Australia if it means they will earn Brownie points with the enlightened ones.

You should be leader of this country Barnaby, you get out and meet the true Australian hard workers.
I am telling all that I know to sign this, this petition came to me, it is spreading like wild fire.... And to think that a tax is going to help, why does it offend people to stop this so much ? Because they get lots of money, it will be like a new gst, to fund the elite like Gore and all his supporters and scientists. They can hear the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ now.
NO MORE, WE NEED TO FIGHT. TAKE OUR FREEDOM BACK PEOPLE !!!

What is wrong with producing and exporting wood, rather than wheat?

Perhaps that will be hard on countries that can't feed themselves, but shouldn't such countries control their populations, so they are able to live within their means?

Before abandoning science, lets look at some facts.

Arctic sea ice extent is still decreasing.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/index.html
(See the plot at right.)

Larger image here
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/n_plot_hires.png

Australian climate variability & change - Time series graphs show increasing temperatures
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/change/timeseries.cgi?graph=tmean&area=aus&season=0112&ave_yr=0

Australian evaluation of climate change claims
http://www.bom.gov.au/info/GreenhouseEffectAndClimateChange.pdf

You have my vote! This ETS is really unAustralian and smells to much like UN empire building.
I believe solid infratructure is the way to go, eg daming of the Diamond, Thompson, Barcoo even the Paroo and warrego rivers to provide all year round water for the Darling and onto the mighty Murray. Where there is water there's life. This is just a thought and unlike the Traveston Crossing debacle this could become Australia's food basket and grow more trees and eliminate the "carbon sink forest" for a tax break for the super rich. Thank you Barnaby its good be represented then governed.

Spoken like a true Australian who understands the work ethic of our farmers. I agree wholeheartedly with all that you said in that speech. Trees should not replace crops and the urban benefactors of the tax "holiday" should not get any tax advantage. Those who think trees are better than crops or pasture should stop and consider the fact that crops take up carbon quicker than trees. i know they dont lock up carbon for as long as trees but trees release a lot more when they die or are burnt (eg, in bushfires). Keep soldiering on Barnaby. A lot of Australians are behind you pushing to stop this nonsense before it is too late.

carbon tradeing is evil must be stoped

CARBON COMMUNISM HAS TO BE STOPPED!!!!!
THANK GOD SOMEBODY IS STANDING UP TO RUDD/WONG ON THIS CRAP!

Would like some feedback on the Petition numbers re the ETS Treaty that Barnaby is running.
I know how many people in my circle of contacts that question the validity of so called global warming - 70%. So it would be interesting to gauge the wider communities view on this subject.

Regards Julie

G'Day Barnaby, A site for you to use for the alarmist people who think humans are causing global warming ( now climate change ) is The Malankovitch Theory Cheers Kevin.

Hello Barnaby Joyce ,

Keep up the great work ! I only wish you were the Leader of the Coalition !

You truly have Leadership qualities ,and sincerely care about Australia and it's future .
It's just a pity that the Coalition has Malcolm Turnbull as leader , he is more an asset for the Labor Party and perhaps he should have joined the Labor Party ! Sadly , he is destroying the Coalition and I hope the Coalition will dispose of him as leader very soon .

Thank you for being strong and thanks to those Politicians who are with you also .

Kind regards

This whole thing is a fraud, it is an excuse for big brother UN to control the world via one world government. Barnaby get kevy to release the whole of this treaty to the public now, then have a referendum on it to decide if Australia wants to sign it.

Sir,
With the climate warming debate reaching ridiculous levels, why is it that we rarely if ever, see a televised debate on the topic? I truly believe all sides need to put their hands on their hearts and arrange a supervised forum with a couple of represenatives from government and opposition, CSIRO, respected scientists and a couple of industry leaders.

There needs to be "hard" evidence for both sides of the argument. If the evidence cannot be substantiated (as I expect), then the people become wiser and learn the "truth" rather than an "Incovenient Truth".

With the propoganda and alarmism taking place in our communities, we need to resolve this debate, if possible.

People need to get their heads around history and what this planet has been through on numerous occassions with no influence from mankind at all. There is so much evidence out there that is undisputed, why do the media take us down the track of gloom & doom. For example, if the artic icecap were to melt, water levels as a result of this would actually decrease. Water in the solid form (ice) displaces more volume than when in its liquid form - it's a simple experiment anyone can do at home with some salty water and ice cubes - measure it!!

Regards,
Brendan Davies

Stop the ETs altogether, Barnaby. Enough of us Aussies know about the Copenhagen Treaty; enough of us to back you to the hilt. Rudd, and Turnbull should be prevented from attending the meeting and exposed for the traitors they are, to our nation.

Hi Barnaby,

On a different tangent all together I would like to see the government make a decision in regard to exceptional circumstances. Why do they have to leave it until the 11th hour to notify the farmers of their decision in the areas that already receive the e.c. So much is riding on this hand out after our failed crops and pathetic harvest - we need to know asap if we are to be extended or not so that we can make serious plans. It would make Christmas a hell of a lot happier if people new that their exceptional circumstances payments were going to be continued past March 2010 and for how long. If the drought does break it will still take a few years for farmers to recover and get back on track and if it doesn't assistance is going to be essential. This is a natural disaster and we need real help. 2009 harvest is probably one of the worst on record and going into summer we will have little feed and water for stock.

Is climate change correct? I struggle to believe that what we are being told is correct, when today's "super computer's" cannot predicit 2 weeks in advance what will be happening weather-wise.

Barnaby, you are on the right track. Please contact us.

Michael McCormick
Landpower Austtalia Pty Ltd
0437 985 467

or

Angela McCormick
0488 956 0512

This whole GW idea is a crock, the witless idiots that have bought this crap are actually running the country. Australians were always noted for our common sense and practical outlook on issues, but these days it has become 'Uncommon Sense'. Im sick and tired of the whole Rudd fantasy and im tired of his poodlefaking (real word, look it up in the Oxford) sycophants that he surrounds himself with. Already the words out that Australians are suckers and we couldnt run a raffle in a brothel. All aussies that know our country realise that we cant sustain the forcasted population growths, that the immigration policies are are out of control and that the Global Warming scam is totally perpetuated by scaremongering lefty elitists that are rubbing their hands together at the angst and undue bankruptsy they are causing. I for one am tired of it and have had enough. We need some bastard with the guts to speak out and take em on, that means waking up the sleeping majority of Australians, and especially destroying KRUDD and shaking up the weak gutted leader of the opposition. Thats my say.

Dear Barnaby
Please, on behalf of the Australian population protect our economic future.
Without a national referendum on how we all really feel about the illegal imposition of a 7 billion dollar per annum carbon pollution tax, Kevin Rudd must never be allowed to sign away our democratic right to decide in Copenhagen.
Barnaby,STOP HIM. SAVE AUSTRALIAN INDUSTRY.SOS.SOS.SOS.....
To be alive is to breathe out carbon dioxide.
Must we all be forced to take the carbon out of life.
Communists are very good at control, and fear, and death, to all who oppose.
For God sake,this is Australia 2009, not USSR 1929
WAKE UP AUSSIE'S. AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE NO RUDD NO

Dear Senator Joyce, Two days ago I sent the following letter to "The Australian" but I doubt whether it will be published. Here it is:

Consensus is an infectious disease.

Of the sycophantic hordes who are braying the IPCC gospel while assuming professional mantles, I doubt whether 10% have the foggiest understanding of the physics of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Greedy governments will gleefully tax us into our graves while coal and petroleum miners quietly gobble up fortunes.

Certainly burning carboniferous fuels has some undesirable effects, but CO2 is not the most serious.

The World’s most pressing problem is over-population by humans. Better to have a tax on uncontrolled fornication.

With fewer humans to feed, the problem of farting farm animals and the release of even more active methane will solve itself.



Peter Schwerdtfeger

Emeritus Professor of Meteorology

Flinders University

mops@flinders.edu.au

Ph.: (08) 8568 1935

Dear Senator Joyce

I am writing to you on the basis of this Blog post and an interview I just watched on Landline with you

I agree the ETS proposed by the Federal Government is nothing short of a tax. It is stupid. I just wish more politicians like yourself could speak out.

Farmers are the livelihood of this country and unlike European farmers who get massive subsidies our farmers struggle

In relation to carbon credits, my small Australian company is actively certifying rainforests in counties like the Philippines - known as Avoided Deforestation. Working with indigenous tribes and private landowners.

All I can say is for our wonderful country and farmers, they have a major ability to achieve carbon credits but we just need to get over the BS around carbon credits and allow our farmers benefit.

If third world countries can do it why not Australia?

As a guide my family has been involved in farming since the early 1800's so I hopeful we can just do things rather talk rubbish.

Kepp up the good work

Check out this outrageous nonsense from the Netherlands.
"Netherlands to levy 'green' road tax by the kilometre"

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.244057bd1b30448115575c2187e68681.141&show_article=1

Nothing short of Population Control!

Is this the sort of COMMUNIST RUBBISH we can expect in Australia from our government in the future if Rudd/Wong continue with their fanatical policies?

Maybe we will have to revert to riding HORSES in the future?
Wait, they'll probably be outlawed also - they produce METHANE.

Sounds like George Orwell's 1984!
I know what I would do if some idiot tried to install a device in my car to monitor the distance/locations travelled!

Labor's hidden agenda is more scary than we think. They appear to be following the 1928 manifesto of The Frankfurt School. A Marxist organisation based in Germany in the 20's and 30's. Mass manipulation and control of the populace....

To further the advance of their 'quiet' cultural revolution - but giving us no ideas about their plans for the future - the School recommended (among other things):

1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

Does any of this sound familiar?

Hi all,
Here are some email adresses of organisations which are promoting this man made global warming science fiction:-

info@environmentaustralia.com.au ;blair@350.org;daisy.barham@foe.org.au;eleanor.smith@foe.org.au;louise.morris@foe.org.au;ozgreen@ozgreen.org.au

Why not email them and tell them what you think of their crap!
I have!

Hi,
Here is another email address to pester these man made global warming isiots on:-
risingtide@risingtide.org.au
Tell them what you really think!

DEAR BARNABY, UR STILL A LEGEND HERE IN THE CITY.....AT THE RISK OF SOUNDING "FLIP", COULD U PLEASE , ON UR TRAVELS, "BOTTLE" SOME LUVLY CO2 4 ME? I NEED IT IN OPERATING THEATRES ......SERIOUSLY FOLKS.....WE USE IT EVERY DAY IN EVERY OPERATING THEATRES IN AUSTRALIA!!!! 4 ALL THE OPERATIONS THAT REQUIRE UR TUMMY OR UR KNEE TO BE LOOKED AT UNDER ANAESTHETIC AND A SCOPE[CAMERA] ATTACHED......JUST THINK: IF WE COULD GET OPERATION WAITING-LISTS SERIOUSLY GOING, COULD WE SOLVE THE "OVERSUPPLY OF CO2 ISSUE", MY GOD, THE MIND BOGGLES AT THIS FIASCO WITH FUDDY DUDDY RUDDY!!!!! BANISH HIM 2 THE BUSH BARNABY, THEN HE MAY SEE WHAT THE REAL ISSUES ARE...HOSPITALS, HEALTH, EDUCATION FACILITIES 4 THE COUNTRY-AREAS..DEPRESSION OF OUR FARMERS WITH SUICIDES DUE TO LACK OF RECOGNITION, "BEATING-DOWN' OUR FARMERS PRICES EACH AND EVERY DAY BY MULTI-MOGALS....I HEAR THE FARMERS TELLING ME WHEN THEY ARE IN HOSPITAL HERE ON THE COAST,[THEY HAVE TRAVELLED A LONG WAY MOST-TIMES], ALL THE STRESSES THEY ENDURE. IT BREAKS MY HEART. YES, I CRY WITH THEM SOMETIMES .WE BETTER "WAKE-UP" BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. .................JEANIE.

SUBJECT: Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html

If one thing more than any other is used to justify proposals that the world must spend tens of trillions of dollars on combating global warming, it is the belief that we face a disastrous rise in sea levels. The Antarctic and Greenland ice caps will melt, we are told, warming oceans will expand, and the result will be catastrophe.

Although the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) only predicts a sea level rise of 59cm (17 inches) by 2100, Al Gore in his Oscar-winning film An Inconvenient Truth went much further, talking of 20 feet, and showing computer graphics of cities such as Shanghai and San Francisco half under water. We all know the graphic showing central London in similar plight. As for tiny island nations such as the Maldives and Tuvalu, as Prince Charles likes to tell us and the Archbishop of Canterbury was again parroting last week, they are due to vanish.

But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story.
Despite fluctuations down as well as up, "the sea is not rising," he says. "It hasn't risen in 50 years." If there is any rise this century it will "not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm". And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by
Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about.

The reason why Dr Mörner, formerly a Stockholm professor, is so certain that these claims about sea level rise are 100 per cent wrong is that they are all based on computer model predictions, whereas his findings are based on "going into the field to observe what is actually happening in the real world".

When running the International Commission on Sea Level Change, he launched a special project on the Maldives, whose leaders have for 20 years been calling for vast sums of international aid to stave off disaster. Six times he and his expert team visited the islands, to confirm that the sea has not risen for half a century. Before announcing his findings, he offered to show the inhabitants a film explaining why they had nothing to worry about. The government refused to let it be shown.

Similarly in Tuvalu, where local leaders have been calling for the inhabitants to be evacuated for 20 years, the sea has if anything dropped in recent decades. The only evidence the scaremongers can cite is based on the fact that extracting groundwater for pineapple growing has allowed seawater to seep in to replace it. Meanwhile, Venice has been sinking rather than the Adriatic rising, says Dr Mörner.

One of his most shocking discoveries was why the IPCC has been able to show sea levels rising by 2.3mm a year. Until 2003, even its own satellite-based evidence showed no upward trend. But suddenly the graph tilted upwards because the IPCC's favoured experts had drawn on the finding of a single tide-gauge in Hong Kong harbour showing a 2.3mm rise. The entire global sea-level projection was then adjusted upwards by a "corrective factor" of 2.3mm, because, as the IPCC scientists admitted, they "needed to show a trend".

When I spoke to Dr Mörner last week, he expressed his continuing dismay at how the IPCC has fed the scare on this crucial issue. When asked to act as an "expert reviewer" on the IPCC's last two reports, he was "astonished to find that not one of their 22 contributing authors on sea levels was a sea level specialist: not one". Yet the results of all this "deliberate ignorance" and reliance on rigged computer models have become the most powerful single driver of the entire warmist hysteria.

•For more information, see Dr Mörner on YouTube (Google Mörner, Maldives and YouTube); or read on the net his 2007 EIR interview "Claim that sea level is rising is a total fraud"; or email him – morner@pog.nu – to buy a copy of his booklet 'The Greatest Lie Ever Told'

Question. What are the chances of a change in the legislation, Buckleys or Nunn. I heard on the radio this morning of a man, who to protest, has sat himself on a pole. What level of desperation has driven some one to this? Let the public know what is happening, how can we protest to government if we are unaware of the problem. Tjhese laws are formulated and promoted by self interest parties, and are traiterous and un Australian. Tell the public whats happening and what can they do to stop this nonsense.

Keep up the good work, hope to see you Prime Minister one day.