When people are making their submissions, they must bear in mind the true agenda of the government.

This is to send farmers broke in order to get them off the land at the cheapest price, so big corporations can take over.

In order to do this they will:

1. impound parts of your property so you cannot make as much money raising livestock and growing food.

2. charge you huge rates and land taxes on the parts of your land THEY have made unproductive.

3. continue to allow big corporations to cut you out of the supply chain.

4. force you to sell your produce/stock to huge supermarket chains for a song.

5. engage in deliberate acts of "man made" climate change to:

(a) fool the public into believing tornadoes etc are increasing, and

(b) flatten both the crop and farmhouse, thereby ruining your holdings and emptying your wallets.

Greetings Senator Joyce

Have any Australian governments claimed or intend to claim carbon trading rights associated with trees on people's private property? On ABC Stateline 2005, Journalist Emma Renwick mentioned that a government had claimed the rights to the regrowth on Peter Spencer's land.

TKS Rolf

The ones that are creating any contribution to this so-called climate change is the stupid federal and state governments - they are the ones who are doing the damage with coal mines etc and another mine was announced last night on the news - the NSW State Government is wanting to have another mine go ahead in the Hunter Region - if ever you have been down that way - from Muswellbrook down - the land is so desolate it looks like Central Australia - in the desert area. But the State Govt doesn't seem to care about country/regional NSW as can be seen by the latest decision to put up car registration on all vehicles of 900tonnes and above to pay for Sydney's new public transport plan, why should we in the very far north of the state be paying for Sydney, we really would like to create a seperate state - which it has been proposed by Richard Torbay - New Engalnd district. We would like public transport and or better roads and hospitals, thats what we want and need.

Landholders should absolutely be compensated for retaining native vegetation on their property and thus contributing to green house gas abatement. The only fair way to achieve this is via a market based scheme such as an ETS. By setting the price of carbon, landholders will benefit by being able to claim credits that can be sold to carbon producing companies i.e. power companies that then pass on the cost to consumers, as it should be. Consumers will then have to invest in energy efficiency measures to reduce the impact to their household budgets but will ultimately reap the benefits for themselves and their progeny by protecting their environment. So lets not chop down all the trees.

Sue Willis:

I hate to be the bearer of even sadder tidings, but there are many people who believe that the Australian government will get out a Map of Australia and rule a line through Southern Queensland that goes right across the Australian continent through Goondiwindi, and gift all of the land north of that line to "marauders from the north".

Cape York has been already been sequestered by the government under the Wild Rivers Program. Even aboriginal peoples are not allowed to go there. Only one small part has been set aside for the Chinese to mine our mineral wealth.

On TV recently, it was reported that Queenslanders were completely outraged by this situation, and there was some talk of the government reversing this parlous decision. Since then ..... nothing.

We already have a huge corporation buying up all of our aged care centres and importing Asian slaves who don't belong to unions to work there, thereby ripping off both workers and frail elderly people.

Next stop ..... probably your place to take charge of agriculture and animal husbandry.

Sharyn,
There is no need for an ETS.. fullstop.!!
Dont you realise that carbon trading etc etc is just a form of "money laundering"
Passing the "Carbon Parcel " ie $$$$$$$ round and round the mulberry bush !!
Nothing will change the so called " carbon footprint"and improve the planet...there is NO compulsory law that forces industry to curb their ways or change to other energy sources. (Look into the CC laws)
"The carbon market is based on the lack of delivery of an invisible substance to noone"
There is a very informative article in Feb 2010 Harper's Magazine..titled
"Conning the Climate" Inside the Carbon-Trading Shell game...by Mark Schapiro.
Bit heavy in places ..but informs you of all the details,downfalls and downright skullduggery surrounding this great conn and how it will NEVER be policed democratically....forget the planet its been misted in those floating $$$$$$$$$$$$ and the lure of thousands of more millionaires at the expense of middle class working populations.
How many times do the REALISTS have to repeat themselves....
People you have been CONNED......The Planet is Healthy !!!

Sharyn:

I think what's needed is a bit of common sense.

The ultimate goal of the government is to empower corporations to rule us all globally. The best way of doing this is to undermine the economies of countries from the Western World, and to financially disempower individual citizens at the same time.

This is no doubt part of the reason that Senator Barnaby Joyce and the leaders of smaller parties are so concerned that both public and private debt are taken into account when assessing gross foreign debt.

I suggest you take a look at the policies of The Greens on (1) Global Government and (2) Population.

I think in the future we will see a coalition of Labor/Greens, with Julia Gillard at the helm. I predicted this 2 years ago, but no one thought it was accurate.

The Green agenda is the vehicle driving us ever closer to Global Corporate Communism.

Firstly we are importing batts, steel and solar panels from China and India, to be used in conjunction with greening us up, and huge (mostly unnecessary) building programs in our schools.

At the same time, Labor is also ramping up huge amounts of foreign debt.

The real reason that Rudd is asking for a couple more years to iron out various problems e.g. in hospitals, is so he can corporatise everything - give greedy corporations government funding and then make even the poor pay hospital and educational fees.

Look at the way Rudd and Gillard are now forging ahead with their so-called Education Revolution. They already have their corporate-based trial in place in 155 Australian schools.

While I think it is good to have a national curriculum, what input have we had into what it might contain? Labor intends to implement their communist ideas into all of our schools in 2011.

Just wait until the people find out the true nature of their agenda!

I just hope people wake up before the next federal election.

Lorikeet,

Agree with you 100%.
I also predict Gillard will be leading the Labor/Greens at the next Election.
How they are going to get rid of Kevive is going to be really... interesting
The Labor hierarchy will have to have a major "backtrack" on him.
I am deeply concerned with the Education curriculum as you are...the same people adding content as the Environmental drive of 10yrs ago.Whats next?
Grandparents and parents need to step up to the mark and start talking to their kids.....there is two sides to every story.

shannon:

I think I have been very lucky. My youngest son was onto the load of crap being taught in our schools when he was only 12 years old and in Year 7.

Often he would come home from school chucking a mental about something. One time it was Free Trade Agreements. I took a look at his notes and it seemed clear to both of us that it was a treasonous, anti-Australian arrangement to screw our own country.

Then he came home with a Bill of Rights for Refugees that he had drafted. I read it and said I was not happy with some of the items on it. He said if he didn't churn out what the teacher expected, he would lose marks. The teacher came here from another country.

I can't remember what he was angry about the third time, but one day he brought home an essay on multi-culturalism, which seemed to annoy him as well. Here is the final sentence of his essay:

"This is Australia, not Muslimia." Don't you love it?

When he got to high school, he and another boy out-argued a science teacher on the Climate Change farce.

Now my son is nearly 18. I'm sure some of the minor parties would like to have him, especially since he won the Year 5 and Open Sections of a speaking competition with his speech entitled: "The Future".

I do not want to compensation paid to farmers so that they can leave the land just because some latte sipping hippy feels that scrub bushland is a 'native grassland' and a swamp is a 'wetland' worthy of preservation. Farmers should never be driven from their land under any circumstances. Farmers should be encouraged to farm. Australia will become a net importer of food (see Hon. Bob Katter's speeches on this matter) if we do not do everything possible to encourage our farmers to stay on the land and make it possible for the next generation of farmers to be successful. Therefore, any policy which sees farmers leave the land (including Compensation & free trade policies) should be discouraged. I want Rural Australians to know that some intelligent like minded people still exist in Australia's cities and they love our nation's farming communities.

Neil:

In NSW it has been reported that the government is about to remove little old ladies from their homes and then flog the land to high rise developers for enormous prices.

At the same time, the Brisbane City Council seems to be flogging off every last little piece of land it can. At The Gap (western suburb) a piece of land is up for sale that is zone "Emerging Community". Since it backs onto a creek, one can only imagine what might emerge from there after dark.

I think Bob Katter has got the bull by the tail on this one. According to both the CSIRO and "Landline", we are already growing enough food to feed 60 million people. Large corporations are already involved, and are doing their best to push minor producers out of the market.

I saw a family on TV who said they had been pushed right out of the egg market, because they are "too small". Now there are only 2 major egg producers left, Sunny Queen and one other.
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Food production will not cease. In the future, the government intends to export most of the food.

Once farmers are removed from the land, either Chinese or banking corporations will import slaves to do the work, and the food will be redistributed globally, along with individual and national wealth.